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fandomsecrets2009-02-17 04:18 pm
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[ SECRET POST #774 ]
⌈ Secret Post #774 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Dr. Kureha from One Piece]
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[Lulu, FFX; Sister Psyche, City of Heroes]
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[Doctor Who/Gossip Girl]
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[CSI]
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[Ouran High School Host Club]
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[No Rest For the Wicked]
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[The Office]
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[Avatar]
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[Being Human]
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[Diamond Head]
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[Prince of Persia]
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[X/1999]
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[Being Human]
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[Blackpool, previously linked wrong]
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[Doctor Who / Spirited Away]
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[Scrubs]
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[Linkin Park, Leave Out All the Rest, Avatar, Zutara, Twilight]
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[The L Word]
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[Scarlet Pimpernel]
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[Joe Oppedisano, photographer]
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[Lucy Lawless]
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[Girl Genius]
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[The Remus Lupins, Alex Carpenter]
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[Can't Hardly Wait]
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[Johnny the Homicidal Maniac]
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[Barney Stinson (Neil Patrick Harris); How I Met Your Mother]
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 213 secrets from Secret Submission Post #111.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ], [ 1 - unreadable ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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OP 156
(Anonymous) 2009-02-18 01:16 am (UTC)(link)And the way I see it, the term t'hy'la could have a sexual component or it could not, depending entirely on the two people involved. It's in the definition of the word, but.... I don't think it's really compulsory. I think if they were both Vulcan, and maybe if Jim were female (depending on Pon Far's small print, it seems unlikely but who knows) and had no other partner they might see it as logical to do so every seven years but that's the only way I could see it in any kind of cannon.
But Jim is human and not really about logic and Spock isn't as separate from his emotions as he likes to pretend. So no go there.
And I prefer it without the sexual hint to it, because it seems to mean more then.
And western culture really is devoid of the concept behind it, the kind of grand friendship, the closeness behind it. In Dogma there were two characters that were platonic life partners and that's probably the closest we could get to it. Maybe asexual and aromantic if you want to sound clever. But it's just something you don't see and when you do nobody knows what to call it or how to react around it.
And in a way I wish we had more of it, friends/chosen-siblings/t'hy'la we could point at and say 'those two, they're totally married to each other, but in a very platonic way'. There's the starts of it, like shadows, in several shows I watch - Jack/Daniel in SG-1 and Doctor/Donna in Doctor Who but their friendships were never developed that far, to that strength like Kirk and Spock's.
And thus ends he mini essay.
But those works of fiction with examples of t'hy'la in them, any recs?
Re: OP 156
(Anonymous) 2009-02-18 01:18 am (UTC)(link)Talk about the need to read through several times before pressing 'post comment'. Err, sorry for the repetition and run on sentences. I think it and type it and apparently didn't edit enough.
Re: OP 156
And yes, I do have recommendations!
~~~Dante and Virgil in Dante's Inferno are a quintessential platonic t'hy'la coupling. The Dorothy L. Sayers translation is the one that speaks most vividly to me, but with translations, I find it sometimes wise to try more than one if the first try doesn't suit you.
~~~Athos, Porthos, Aramis, and D'Artagnan in The Three Musketeers is a rare t'hy'la group with more than two. Their story is quite a good one to read -- adventurous, poignant, beautiful.
~~~In the Elfquest graphic novel series by Wendy and Richard Pini, the theme of chief Cutter's soulbound brotherhood with Skywise is a central theme. There's even an entire volume dedicated to it -- volume 8b: In All But Blood. I do recommend you read the first 8 or so books in the series first, which will give you foundation for their relationship with one another and with their tribe. After some number, the artist Wendy for some reason stopped drawing the comics and they inexplicably hired a bunch of kindergardeners to scrawl their aesthetically revolting crap instead. This series takes a little time and focus to get the best out of.
~~~In Notre Dame de Paris by Victor Hugo, it could be argued that Pierre Gringoire and Esmeralda are sort of a t'hy'la-patterned pair, a rare male-female one at that, but the story doesn't go into much detail.
~~~Sam Gamgee and Frodo Baggins in The Lord of the Rings are the QUINTESSENTIAL t'hy'la couple.
~~~In the play Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead by Tom Stoppard, it would seem that the two title characters are also, though it's not explored as a major theme. It just is.
~~~CS Lewis wrote a wonderful book called The Four Loves. The chapter on "Friendship" is a must-read. Absolutely essential. Make this your first stop. If you take any single recommendation from me, take this one.
~~~In The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K. Le Guin, Genly and Estraven certainly qualify by the end of the book. There is some reference to the two of them considering a sexual coupling at one point, but rationally determining not to; it's not clear to what extent they may have been emotionally romantically attracted to one another by the end of the book.
~~~Rat and Mole in The Wind in the WIllows by Kenneth Grahame (and sequels by William Horwood, beautifully faithful to the original work).
~~~I dare suggest that the Mad Hatter and March Hare were a t'hy'la couple. Lord knows whether the Dormouse was included. Carroll's text is geared towards the absurd, not the phylosophical.
There's a few for you. If I think of more when I'm not dead of exhaustion, I'll tell you. Really do E-Mail me or something, I'd love to explore this with you further. :)
Re: OP 156
(Anonymous) 2009-02-18 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)Elfquest sounds interesting, though I've no idea how graphic novels much. Do you start with the archive volumes or the Grand Quest? Shall have to look it up.
And I shall e-mail you and friend you, though you may not be impressed with my latest post.