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fandomsecrets2009-02-25 05:17 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2009-02-25 05:17 pm
[ SECRET POST #782 ]
⌈ Secret Post #782 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Secrets Left to Post: 07 pages, 165 secrets from Secret Submission Post #112.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Re: #103
But there's a difference between "I find it difficult to get enthusiastic about female characters because they're written first as Women, as The Other, and only second as actual people" and the kind of venomous double-standards you see often in fandom. Spend a while looking at the use of the term "Mary Sue," or the frequency with which misogynistic slurs crop up in fandom (both het and slash), and it becomes hard to believe that all or even most female-character-hating fans are acting largely out of rebellion against sexist writing.
Also, obligatory "you're looking in the wrong place," but I can see other commenters will get to that. (I just finished reading an Octavia E. Butler series. I'd do that every time my Sexism Rage and Racism Rage meters fill up for my canons, but I'd run out of her works pretty fast.)
Re: #103
This.
The Mary Sues part is the worst, imo; the term is gendered, sexist, and - ah hah - if you put the male protagonists of a lot of canons through Mary Sue Litmus Tests, they fail. Hard. The biggest fail I've ever run was Jesus Christ. But failzy male protagonists still get loved over, because fangirls can accept that guys are failzily too-special.
The way women are encouraged to be spiteful towards other women is an issue that runs way beyond fandom, but again, I can't blame female fans for doing this (even in cases where it the canon isn't deliberately promoting those women as hateable); it's just part of the whole trap, and it wasn't women who set it up. Ramp back on the bashing, and look at characters in a mature way? For sure. Spite is immature and is part of the problem. But I don't blame women, as individuals, for feeling they have to 'compete' for approval by destroying other women. Especially not teenage girls, who are the worst offenders, and who are probably the most exposed to the bombardment of media messages that's designed to make them feel inadequate compared to over-sculpted canon women.
I am indeed probably looking in the wrong place, but that in itself is part of the problem; WHY IS THERE A WRONG PLACE TO LOOK FOR AWESOME WOMEN? The fuck?
Re: #103
And yeah. Whenever I see someone actually dismissing feminist criticism of a work, or complaints about lack of well-written female characters, with, "you're looking in the wrong place," I wonder if they actually see what they're saying for that reason.
Re: #103