fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #782 ]

⌈ Secret Post #782 ⌋

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103. For the most part, I agree. I think the problem with internalized misogyny is that it runs so deep, and is not quite as cut and dry as this secret may make it seem. Fandom misogynists are usually not huge walking caricatures easily spotted and condemned by all. That would be too easy. A lot of us, myself included, are guilty of it from time to time, which is probably why reading this can make people uncomfortable. You see something that looks like it might be accusing you, but you think, "Wait a minute, this can't be me! I don't hate women!" And you're right, you probably don't, but that doesn't mean your actions might not at times be tainted with this way of thinking. It's more important to acknowledge that so you can at least know how to start doing things differently, not fight over whether you are being condemned.

But I also agree with people who say that part of the problem lies in the comparative lack of truly awe-inspiring female characters in various media. Wouldn't it be interesting if fandom could somehow be involved in the movement to get more talented women into these industries? A more balanced female presence might be the answer to the whole most writers are male and don't know how to write women problem.

114. Maybe it's the writing, because I definitely get the feeling that the story was meant to be presented in a way that would allow readers to take either side and still come up with good, solid arguments. It's a fun exercise to switch back and forth and try arguing for both to see what you can eventually come up with, either by yourself or with friends. Not so much fun: watching the fan community tear itself apart over who was "right". For what it's worth, I do usually take your side; it's more interesting that way.

Less relevantly, what is it with F!S always coming up with secrets about topics/fandoms I have recently been preoccupied with. This has got to be like the fourth time it's happened. I don't remember a single Civil War secret in the last two years, why did one have to pop up this week? You're freaking me out! XD

154. There must be some kind of intelligence retardant in the water over at

kh_secrets, because the fact that this secret is somewhat fucktarded completely flew over my head when I first saw it over there. Shame on me (and on you, OP, for being fucktarded).

Edited 2009-02-26 00:15 (UTC)

103 - (mostly unrelated) Which is why Devin Grayson annoys me so much. She broke into the mostly male comic industry. And what does she do to my Nightwing? Arg.

114 - I blame the writing. I think the idea was to "deconstruct" the universe like DC did with Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns to study how Super Heroes would "really" impact the world. And honestly, I think this is how it would down in our world. I know I would NOT feel good about having teenages in masks randomly breaking into jails or having the Punisher/Hulk running around. (Also: I hate the retcon that the Hulk never killed anyone.)

But yeah, the writers had to make parallels with RL politics (even when they didn't make sense) and had to spoil the whole pot.

tl:dr - word, yo.

103. Maybe I would be annoyed too if I were more reverent of the source material, but I found Grayson's run amusing. I liked watching her run crap up the flagpole to see who'd salute.

114. Oh man, tell me about it. I had to throw in the towel somewhere between the hamfisted attempts at current event parallels and the bizarre feat of writing that turned characters long established to be likable and heroic into complete knobs/utter bastards. It was like they wanted us to take sides, but then forgot that no one likes siding with people they can't sympathize with.

I mean, security vs. freedom is totally solid pitch. The question of civil rights evolving in a world where the balance of power has been shifted could give people reason to be pro-registration. In the real world, anyway, perhaps not so much in the Marvel Universe where crazy shit happens all the time. Good idea, pretty great art, I don't want to talk about the rest.

Edited 2009-02-26 05:10 (UTC)

154.When surrounded by the relevant fandom all one needs to say is 'you know' and everyone will understand what is meant.

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