[ SECRET POST #782 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #782 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 07 pages, 165 secrets from Secret Submission Post #112.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: And 103 - because some of the replies are bothering me

[lalachoy.livejournal.com]

In the Inuyasha fandom, Kikyo always got hated on badly because Inuyasha loved her too and got in the way of Inuyasha/Kagome. Honestly, that amount of hatred on Kikyo was one of the worst I saw and it was het. :/

Re: And 103 - because some of the replies are bothering me

[(Anonymous)]

But is that the same thing, though? You could argue that in a case like that, the problem is really that most fans identify with Kagome (perhaps even see themselves in her, which isn't uncommon with main protagonists), and see Kikyo as the rival, leading to natural enmity. Now if the Kikyo character were male, and the fandom were suddenly supportive of him, then perhaps you could make a case for misogyny.

Re: And 103 - because some of the replies are bothering me

[lalachoy.livejournal.com]

I see what you mean. I do recall Jakotsu not being bashed even though he had some attraction to Inuyasha. Actually they just laughed at his attraction, but I suppose you could brush that off as he was kind of treated as a joke.

Re: And 103 - because some of the replies are bothering me

[(Anonymous)]

IIRC, lots of people were more interested in shipping Jakotsu with Bankotsu to see him as a credible "threat" to their het ship XD To use a more up to date example, I see some of the crazier Zutarians bashing the hell out of Aang sometimes, and I don't think this is evidence of their misandry. Shipping just makes people irrational.

Re: And 103 - because some of the replies are bothering me

[lalachoy.livejournal.com]

I think you're right. It's really just shipping that makes people go off the deep end.

Re: And 103 - because some of the replies are bothering me

[(Anonymous)]

I think it depends on what they say when they hate her. Do they attack her for her genuine faults, or is it more like secret 106 where they scraped the bottom of the barrel and the insults didn't hold up when compared to canon.

It doesn't matter if the pairing the female character comes between the slash-ship or the het-ship, if the sole reason to hate a female character is because they come between your OTP, rather then for issues about her characterization, it's a shitty reason.

Re: And 103 - because some of the replies are bothering me

[(Anonymous)]

I don't disagree that it's a shitty reason, but is that reason necessarily misogyny? Let's be honest, fans like to play favorites, and can be pretty irrational about the perceived rivaling parties (especially when shipping is at hand). Only in certain situations does this behavior indicate contempt for an entire gender, though there's definitely a lot of overlap. This is what I'm concerned with. It's a pretty complex issue, and I don't think there's any one way to judge, you're better off going on a case by case basis.

In the end, I'm inclined to agree with someone else up there: misogyny can be present in both fans of het and slash, but the way it manifests itself isn't always the same.

Re: And 103 - because some of the replies are bothering me

[kristenell.livejournal.com]

I think it hinges on how much the fact that the character is female is used as a reason to bash or demean said character, if the argument doesn't make much use of the character's gender then it isn't necessarily misogyistic. But if the character's gender is somehow put forth as a fault or major reason for why they are unworthy or whatever then yeah there is the sexism creeping into play.