[ SECRET POST #5392 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5392 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

He learned from his mistakes as shown by him accepting the possibilities of having some of his actions legally regulated by the UN. Because he was thinking of others. Nothing hypocrital about it. That's call change.

He doesn't really change, though. He signs the Accords, and then he violates them almost immediately by joining Steve and Bucky in Siberia in pursuit of the five other super soldiers. He doesn't truly accept that he might benefit from oversight--he signs the Accords for emotional reasons, but he doesn't alter his actual behavior in any way afterwards.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

Not to mention dragging Peter in.

[(Anonymous)]

Show me where the Accords allow an unknown, unregistered, superpowered minor to have a suite with an "Instant Kill Mode" Tony.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

This +3000.

[(Anonymous)]

This is probably my biggest problem. Each movie is about him Learning A Lesson but by the next movie he's making the same mistakes or worse. With enough repetition the story isn't about a guy learning lessons it's about a guy *refusing* to learn lessons but acting like he has. And that's just... idk really unlikable.

If he were only in IM1-IM3 + Avengers 1 I'd think he was a quippy jerk with a batting average of 0.500 on good movies (which is nothing to sneeze at!) and go on about my way. After Spiderman? I basically have "Tony Stark" blocked on tumblr/ao3. (Exceptions are made for comic book Tony and stories set in/around 2012.)

I'm not interested in converting people to my unhappiness, but I do enjoy venting. Yay anonymous posting.

[(Anonymous)]

Right? He made a criminal-profiling surveillance AI three fucking times AFTER the events of IM3 where he recognized his paranoia/PTSD/anxiety as a personal problem that harmed others and sought help for it (which was a good thing!). Him working on the Iron Legion, Insight, and EDITH is just fucking BAD and I hate that those plots both tried to make it sound like he had a point and tried to brush aside how unhealthy it was for him personally.

[(Anonymous)]

YES thank you! I feel like I've gone crazy sometimes!

Like, one time making a world wide net of flying murder machines - an occurrence. Two times making a world wide net of flying murder machines - a coincidence. THREE TIMES making a world wide net of flying murder machines - officially a fucking pattern. We have to accept that whether he's working for a government, hyped up on a fear-hex, or all alone in his workshop the man really wants to create a world wide net of flying murder machines and I'm annoyed that neither the character, nor the filmmakers, nor a large portion of the audience get that that's bad.

[(Anonymous)]

But was he violating them? And if he was, was he violating the spirit in which they had been written? It was an unused, uninhabited bunker except for the possibilities of there being supersoldiers. He agreed to the Accords to protect people and their freedom, not because he cared that much about blindly obeying the law. And it kills me that people praise Steve for breaking out the law in order to help Bucky (and I get that part), even when in "Avengers" he was looking down on Tony for not following orders (which, considering "The First Avengers" was mighty hypocrital of him) or giving him a look when in "AoU" a black market for weapons was mentioned (even if we know that Tony had nothing to do with that. Obadiah was doing it behind his back), but would condemned Tony for helping Steve despite it going potentially against his current best interest and what he was believing in and fighting for. If he didn't help, people would still have shit on him for it, probably pointing out how bad of a friend he was and how hard-headed and cold-hearted he was. It's really fudge him if he does, fudge him if he doesn't.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my God, this!

To quote a narrow-minded anon upthread: “I feel like I’m going crazy!”

Tony-bashing is such an intellectual dead end, because all the genuinely good reasons for disliking him have been thrown out the window years ago in favor of the same faulty and hypocritical rhetoric.

And I don’t believe every person who dislikes Tony is a Tony-basher, because there’s a difference in intensity and whether good-faith is involved. I also don’t believe every basher is transparently a Team Cap or Stucky stan, because it can really be as simple as them hating Tony without being obsessed with another character or ship. But I have seen Steve Stans who also froth over Stucky use the same tired arguments many times, so the connection is understandable, just not always the case.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, he was violating them. It was literally the scenario Cap was pointing out earlier in the movie and that Tony was shutting down. The Accords, as Tony wanted them, were to specifically prevent any action, no matter how immediate the threat was, of a superpowered individual of which he considered himself to be, without express consent of the council of global vagueness. He violated them in the letter, and very much in spirit. Especially since his aim was to dump decision making responsibility on other people so he could say, in future hallway conversations, that he was only following a group consensus. That is why the Accords were about Tony evading guilt, and only about that, and Tony couldn't even manage to keep that one up for even a single movie.