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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-10-10 03:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #5392 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5392 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2021-10-12 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
But was he violating them? And if he was, was he violating the spirit in which they had been written? It was an unused, uninhabited bunker except for the possibilities of there being supersoldiers. He agreed to the Accords to protect people and their freedom, not because he cared that much about blindly obeying the law. And it kills me that people praise Steve for breaking out the law in order to help Bucky (and I get that part), even when in "Avengers" he was looking down on Tony for not following orders (which, considering "The First Avengers" was mighty hypocrital of him) or giving him a look when in "AoU" a black market for weapons was mentioned (even if we know that Tony had nothing to do with that. Obadiah was doing it behind his back), but would condemned Tony for helping Steve despite it going potentially against his current best interest and what he was believing in and fighting for. If he didn't help, people would still have shit on him for it, probably pointing out how bad of a friend he was and how hard-headed and cold-hearted he was. It's really fudge him if he does, fudge him if he doesn't.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-12 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my God, this!

To quote a narrow-minded anon upthread: “I feel like I’m going crazy!”

Tony-bashing is such an intellectual dead end, because all the genuinely good reasons for disliking him have been thrown out the window years ago in favor of the same faulty and hypocritical rhetoric.

And I don’t believe every person who dislikes Tony is a Tony-basher, because there’s a difference in intensity and whether good-faith is involved. I also don’t believe every basher is transparently a Team Cap or Stucky stan, because it can really be as simple as them hating Tony without being obsessed with another character or ship. But I have seen Steve Stans who also froth over Stucky use the same tired arguments many times, so the connection is understandable, just not always the case.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-12 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, he was violating them. It was literally the scenario Cap was pointing out earlier in the movie and that Tony was shutting down. The Accords, as Tony wanted them, were to specifically prevent any action, no matter how immediate the threat was, of a superpowered individual of which he considered himself to be, without express consent of the council of global vagueness. He violated them in the letter, and very much in spirit. Especially since his aim was to dump decision making responsibility on other people so he could say, in future hallway conversations, that he was only following a group consensus. That is why the Accords were about Tony evading guilt, and only about that, and Tony couldn't even manage to keep that one up for even a single movie.