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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-10-13 06:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #5395 ]


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[personal profile] hey_hey_hey 2021-10-14 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
Christ. Is there some kind of bat signal for MJ fans whenever someone says something critical about him?
Edited 2021-10-14 00:27 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Dude died horribly, and had his life ruined in multiple ways.

Go ahead and discuss Janet tho!

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
And also he raped some kids.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, good. I was hoping we'd hit over 100 posts today.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
Nice trolling effort, 0/10.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
How is it trolling just because you don’t like it? Bait maybe, but trolling is a different matter that this doesn’t quite fit.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
nayrt

"because you don't like it"

Oh, please. You knew what you were doing. Trolling is trolling because it's meant to piss people off. In your case, stating opinion as fact.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I’m not the anon who you were responding to when you called them a troll. I was legitimately asking what made their comment trolling. Like I said, it was probably bait for a heated discussion. But that’s become something almost distinct from trolling at this point, because trolling is frequently an aimless attempt to offend or piss people off.

But in the case of MJ, a lot of people genuinely believe he’s guilty of the things he’s been accused of. And they have every right to believe that, even if it will probably never be definitely stated whether he’s innocent or not by the courts.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 07:11 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah.

The blind idolization of that "alleged" child rapist is disgusting. The fans care more about their own emotions than children being destroyed. MJ fans are as revolting as the people who turn a blind eye to the abuse in the Catholic Church.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 11:19 am (UTC)(link)
100% This.

It might be alleged, but MJ stans have no more inside information than they people who believe he’s guilty. They like to say that there’s no reason for outsiders to believe he’s guilty. But by the same token, they as outsiders have no reason to believe he’s innocent. Much less cape for him anytime someone so much as alludes to not liking him as a person. They speak with such confidence, and it’s based on nothing but blind fanaticism.

He made good music, and that’s where the appreciation should end.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
We don’t give other child molesters a pass for having bad childhoods. Why MJ? Is it because he caught on fire that one time? Is this tied into that Freddy Krueger redemption thing from a couple of weeks ago?

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
No, it's because there is no actual evidence except for the testimonies of people who only came forward after he died.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Testimonies are considered evidence in court, but people who are dedicated to believing that their faves are innocent always conveniently disregard that.

It may not have been proven completely, because these types of cases rarely end decisively. But there is plenty of reasons to believe the testimony of people involved.

And when the testimony came out has no relevance to anything. Unless you’re one of those people who always asks “Well why didn’t they come out sooner? Why now?” Which is extremely disingenuous.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Even Corey Feldman, who at one point claimed to have been sexually assaulted by every adult in showbiz except for Michael Jackson, looked at the evidence you’re dismissing as irrelevant and realized it would be irresponsible and disrespectful to continue to defend Michael Jackson.

When you’re not clearing a bar set by Corey Feldman, you may want to take a good look at your life.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, gee, I listen to Corey Feldman on everything else so I guess I'll have to just take his word here too.

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
No, you should keep on being the person who is more pro-rapist than Corey Feldman. It’s a great look.
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[personal profile] luxshine 2021-10-14 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
While I do not begrudge those who believe MJ was a pedophile, even if I don't believe it, what Feldman said was that just as it hurt him how no one believed him even if he had proof (like you are doing right now by using claimed and painting Feldman as a serial accuser rather than someone who was trying very hard to put a spotlight on the rampant sexual abuse that happens in Hollywood), he understands it hurts people when he defended MJ EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE CASE. Hence why he was going to stop defending him publicly. Same as Mackulay Culkin.
They have NEVER said they believe MJ was guilty, they just said that, to respect victims of sexual abuse in general, they were going to stop using the same rethoric that is used to silence THEM (AKA. "He can't be an abuser because he was always nice to me)

ALSO: YES, because of this, my personal feelings of the case aside, if someone tells me they don't want to listen to MJ's music or bad mouth him in front of me because they believe he was guilty? then I take out the music, and I let them rant. Survivor's feelings always win against my love for any song.
Edited (Clarification of meaning.) 2021-10-14 19:18 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2021-10-14 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
+1000000000