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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-11-08 06:17 pm

[ SECRET POST #5421 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5421 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2021-11-08 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I’m the opposite. I love Chandler, but could never be that person in a friend group. I’m never quick with anything like a joke. But maybe that’s for the best, considering a full-on Chandler would be grating IRL(not saying you’re grating though, just the character tropes applied to real world situations).

Pretty sure the only reason I love him though is not because I think he’s genuinely funny, it’s just that “person with class clown personality who’s treated like crap by the rest of the cast, but kind of brings it on themselves” is one of my many very specific Types.

(Anonymous) 2021-11-09 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
I resemble this remark, and that's why I liked Chandler the best. Though I don't think I was as persistently sarcastic as him.

(Anonymous) 2021-11-08 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Chandler is one of those characters for me where he's entertaining to watch in a TV show because I don't have to deal with him irl, I think someone like that would be draining tbh, even if you like sarcastic humor.

(Anonymous) 2021-11-09 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
OP...I was reading the secret feeling bad because I am realizing I have the strongest Chandler energy in my friend group these days. And then the twist, LMAO. All I want to say is, it's OK to be a little kinder to yourself from time to time ♡

(Anonymous) 2021-11-09 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
He's my favorite Friend because his humor is the most like my own.

(Anonymous) 2021-11-09 08:01 am (UTC)(link)
I'm nothing like Chandler, but he's probably my favorite friend. I also feel like I wouldn't be bothered by him IRL. To be honest, whenever people talk about how they wouldn't actually want to be around someone like Chandler in real life, I kind of struggle to understand what it is they're talking about. He just doesn't ping as particularly harsh or mean to me. I mean, the fatphobic and homophobic jokes are mean and uncool, but given that all the friends make those sorts of "jokes" at some point in the series, I tend to not factor that stuff into my judgement of any of them. "Blah blah, product of its time, yadda yadda."

(Anonymous) 2021-11-09 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
In my personal opinion, when I say that I wouldn’t want to be around someone like Chandler IRL even though I adore him as a character, I’m pulling from personal experiences. I think sarcasm is hard to get right and be funny in real life, especially when the person uses it constantly. Whenever I hear someone describe themselves as a sarcastic person or a snarky or deadpan person, I cringe a little thinking about people I knew who described themselves in similar ways. They were more smug and superior than anything, thinking that constantly having something sarcastic on their tongue made them inherently clever or above it all. They treated pretty much everyone as springboards for derisive comments just to make themselves feel like they were better. And a lot of these people were influenced into thinking this was a cool and charming personality by their favorite characters, who they were clearly just trying to imitate. And some of these people were way too old to be influenced by fictional characters into basing their entire personality on them, which is a bit sad. But I’ve seen a lot of kids and teens do the same thing with trying to imitate their favorite snarky and quippy faves without knowing how.

I also just cringe when someone says they’re a snarky and sarcastic person because I feel like that’s not something you say about yourself. It’s like saying you’re a good and nice person, or saying you’re talented or clever. There’s some things that come off as arrogant when you freely describe yourself in this way, instead of it being something others say about you. It’s different to say you feel like you have these traits, or hope you do. That’s completely understandable. And in that way, every anon who’s described themselves as like Chandler are fine, because they’re just being self-aware of some of their personality traits, instead of borderline bragging about how smart and snarky they are like the annoying people I used to know. One of those people openly compared themselves to BBC’s Sherlock Holmes and Bernard Black from Black Books, for a clear example of what I mean. Comparing yourself to Chandler is much better by comparison.

Sorry for the long comment! I know I probably didn’t explain myself super well, and all my explanations for what I personally mean are probably too anecdotal to be relevant lol.

(Anonymous) 2021-11-09 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT - This is a great comment and explains a lot, thank you!

I guess I feel like Chandler specifically manages to tread that line where his comments don't feel mean and superior and "above it all" to me, they just feel like his way of engaging with situations. If anything I feel like the character is fairly self-deprecating, and is pretty open and self-aware about the fact that he is neurotic and insecure, so to me his sarcasm and snark comes off as toothless 98% of the time because it doesn't seem like it's coming from a place of him thinking he's better than other people, or stepping on people to make himself taller. If anything, I guess within the context of the Friends group, his snarkiness actually reads as a kind of indirect affection to me most of the time (though I guess if we saw him interact with strangers more often then his snarkiness would bother me more, because I do think his remarks would probably seem insensitive when levelled at people he had no intimacy with).

But I see what you mean about how this sort of snarky wit tends to manifest IRL. In fiction there are script writers to make sure the jokes are just the right kind of snarky to not feel like actual barbs, and as a viewer I subconsciously pick up on the fact that care was taken to make the character's comments stingless and I attribute that effort to the character -- that they take care to modulate their snark so it's only as harsh as the people around them are okay with. Whereas in reality when people are snarky it's a lot more likely to feel like their snark is barbed and insensitive, and what's more, in reality that is probably at least partially their intent.

Also, yikes at people comparing themselves to BBC Sherlock in real life. I would definitely consider that a friendship red flag.