[ SECRET POST #5472 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5472 ⌋

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Comments

[pantswarrior]

I might be forgetting something obvious, since it's been awhile since I was watching regularly, but isn't ILL "problematic" sort of in the same way that TOS is "problematic"? In the sense that it was actually quite progressive for its time (showing a woman going through visible pregnancy, interracial marriage), but still was "a product of its time" in that it fed into racist/sexist stereotypes that were still common?

I mean there is definitely some stuff in there that's kind of awful by modern standards - but much like TOS, it was less awful than a lot of its media contemporaries, and they were pushing boundaries, so I have to give them credit for that. (I had the misfortune of discovering some other shows via a retro antenna-only station a few years back, and hoooooboy. No wonder I had never heard of them before.)

And regardless of problematic elements, classic comedy is classic for a reason. =)

[(Anonymous)]

it was actually quite progressive for its time (showing a woman going through visible pregnancy, interracial marriage)

Oh, the show was HUGE in pushing the line in the 50s. Lucille Ball fought to have Desi play her husband on the show, and that was the first time a woman had EVER been shown pregnant (even if they weren't allowed to say the word!) and having a baby on a TV show.

[pantswarrior]

Hahah, yeah, I forgot that they weren't allowed to say the word. But indeed, I learned about that actually being a first AND a struggle and it made me respect her all that much more. Lucille Ball was pretty badass.

Edit: And now I'm thinking about the episode where Lucy is trying to announce her pregnancy to Ricky, and how incredibly great the ending for that episode was. One of the sweetest things I have ever seen on a TV show.

[(Anonymous)]

I might be forgetting something obvious, since it's been awhile since I was watching regularly, but isn't ILL "problematic" sort of in the same way that TOS is "problematic"?

Yes and no. On the whole I agree that the show was far more progressive than it was 'problematic' but it does still have its moments. I do remember in one of the earliest episodes Fred convinces Ricky to roofie Lucy as its a great way to keep her quiet and settled and that he does it to Ethyl all the time and she's never noticed it. That part of the episode is a pretty big oof as it's all played for laughs as well.

[pantswarrior]

Ew. I definitely don't recall that... I wonder if that episode was sort of self-censored by the stations I used to get that played it. :P (Or maybe it was one of those I saw when I was so young that I didn't think about it much...)