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[ SECRET POST #5475 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5475 ⌋

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Oh yes, how dare someone read a 100% bad faith comment in bad faith.
Telling a person who obviously complains about the extremist behaviour of a certain group because that is the group they focus on with their comment "but others do it too" is absolutely whataboutism.

OP of secret comment

To be fair, I could have worded it better.

Honestly, you’re fine. This issue can be very thorny in this community, so it can be hard to tell who’s acting in good faith at times. But I personally think it was clear that you weren’t insinuating anything with your secret. And I agree with your secret completely as well.

Oh please, this Terf has been workshopping socially acceptable pro-transphobia arguments in this comm for a while. You just swallowed it. The painting of a marginalised group fighting back against the people who have caused literal deaths as as being nasty doxxers, which refers to three people protesting outside JK Rowling's very famous castle which has its own wikipedia page, the death threats have been unsubstantiated, and cancel culture refers to when transphobes paste transphobia over twitter or go to the court to defend their rights to misgender employees, and lose their jobs because of it. But it sounds so reasonable when they put it like they did, and those marginalised people fighting to just live their lives and not be bashed (literally as well as figuratively) are the bad guys for when they resist.

This is a soft pro transphobia argument, and they want you to accept it. Which you apparently have. Now tell me how you support trans lives.

Oh please, you (and/or some other troll) have been going around screeching transphobia at everyone who doesn't share your opinion 100% of the time in this comm, so who are you even trying to kid that it's really about your trans activism and not about having your ego boner stroked?

You sound like you need help tbh.

OP disagrees with doxxibg, death and rape threats, or cancel culture.

You: 'This is a soft pro transphobia argument'

Okaaay....

AYRT

You have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re using those examples to make it seem like it’s not remotely possible for any actual extremists in trans rights movement(which your examples don’t count as extremists) to have legitimately sent out death and rape threats. I know all the examples you’ve listed, and of course I agree that all of them are harmless and overblown by TERFs. But you’re being completely disingenuous to pretend that’s all there is. I don’t think these extremists speak for all trans rights activists, obviously. Nowhere did I say I did. Extremists are part of every group, and they never speak for the whole.

I attend rallies and protests with the rest of the trans activists in order to support and stand up for trans lives against the governments and people in power who want their rights stripped away. I protest to protect trans lives from the ones who straight up want them dead. Tell me, with all the time you spend screeching at people over willful misunderstandings on your part, as well as calling everyone a TERF even when they’ve said nothing to indicate they are, how do YOU support trans lives? Because you seem to want to spend all of your time going after everyone and yelling at them over everything, that you keep forgetting to actually support trans people. No trans person would feel supported by your behavior, because you clearly do what you do for your own amusement, and to make yourself feel like a better person.

It wasn’t a bad faith comment just because you’re taking the least charitable view on it. Your responses could also be read as bad faith, and just as deflective as you say anon’s are. I’m pretty sure I know where you’re coming from though, because if you truly believe anon is trying to minimize the behavior of extremists, I get how unsettling that could be.

I don’t agree that they are trying to minimize anything. They’re not excusing the things extremists do by pointing out that this extremist behavior is not exclusive to the trans right activists. Whataboutism is when someone brings up a counter-issue or a completely separate one to try to sidestep criticism or pretend that bad behavior is somehow justified. What anon did was not excusing or avoiding criticism, it was pointing out that the first sentence of OP’s comment could be read as associating doxxing, threats, and general harassment to extremists in the trans rights movement, when it’s behavior that is shared by extremists for every cause. It’s not whataboutism just by bringing up other things or observing similarities. Whataboutism has a set definition that describes the way in which other things are brought up, and why they’re being brought up. The definition doesn’t really fit because anon wasn’t invoking whataboutism with their simple observation. “Other people do it too” can be whataboutism, but not in every circumstance.

The original post was open to that interpretation, and then OP clarified and settled it completely satisfactorily. And that's really the end of it. This whole narrative that you're trying to work up here doesn't apply at all.

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