[ SECRET POST #5485 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5485 ⌋

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Comments

[meadowphoenix]

I mean, in general yes, the collaborators are usually hated much more than the oppressors by the marginalized both in universe context (they're a much easier target than the systems they helped set up) and in our universe where misogyny is still a thing and women can hate fictional collaborators virulently but more safely than the milder collaborators that actually exist and are sometimes friends and family. It's a traitor v. enemy dynamic, and the audience here is mostly other women.

That said, I firmly believe that even if there were more men on the show, and these characters were less collaborators and more nuanced, they would be far more hated. Female characters who have negative qualities tend to spark less understanding in straight dramas.

[(Anonymous)]

This comment hits the main points really well imo, and I wholeheartedly agree.

[fizzyrose]

I haven't watched the entirety of the show but the show does really focus on the female characters and their inner-world under this oppressive system from what I gather so it makes sense, considering they're so much more the focus, that people would often hate on the female characters who are shitty.

I read the book but didn't watch too much of the show though my mom was in to it. So I've watched some and also gathered some info from her mentioning it a lot.

I also think it's possible to recognize that, yes, these are oppressed women but at the same time I don't think criticizing their horrid behavior is sexist, even when we understand perhaps where that behavior is coming from. It doesn't make them any less complicit or bad.

[meadowphoenix]

it makes sense to criticize these specific women in this specific show, but I still think they would hated if they were antagonists of a different sort and not collaborators and there were more male characters, because people tend to approach female characters in these type of shows with much less understanding.

[(Anonymous)]

Hating collaborators more than oppressors is a completely valid sentiment. Oppressors are expected to be shitty and it's not so much that they aren't as hated as that there's not a lot to dwell and fume on about their shittiness because it's pretty straightforward. But collaborators who are part of the oppressed group themselves infuriate other people in their group because they're hypocrites who should know better, and that's something wonderfully satisfying to bitch about.