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⌈ Secret Post #5537 ⌋

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Comments

[meadowphoenix]

Dating a 18 year old high schooler whose mom just died at 22 when 'in the working world/still in high school" experiential gap even for non-celebrities is so profound imo is irresponsible at best.

Writing a song about a notoriously insular family that already expressed interest in that family is, as I've said, clout chasing at any age.

together it's just gross behavior all round.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my god, really? What a big nothingburger. We don't know these people, how are we supposed to decide who's mature enough or experienced enough to date after their mother died? That's such personal thing and you're not his guardian or his mom, it's so weird to act like you'd know best. If we're supposed to care about the insular nature of the family (though good luck getting writers to stop writing about the most famous American political dynasty), maybe we can not speculate about their private relationships ourselves?

Because if we're going to talk about Taylor's egregious clout chasing, nothing tops the embarrassment and floptitude of the Tom Hiddleston incident.

[meadowphoenix]

We don't know these people, how are we supposed to decide who's mature enough or experienced enough to date after their mother died?
We don't know any people. Including the people closest to us. If you don't want to judge relationship ethics don't lmao.

That's such personal thing and you're not his guardian or his mom, it's so weird to act like you'd know best.
I'm acting like I can make a personal judgment on someone's character based on their public actions, and I absolutely can.

If we're supposed to care about the insular nature of the family (though good luck getting writers to stop writing about the most famous American political dynasty), maybe we can not speculate about their private relationships ourselves?
Ah, you're confused on my point. The insularity attribution has zero to do with external speculation on relationship ethics and everything to do with the clout-chasing.

Because if we're going to talk about Taylor's egregious clout chasing, nothing tops the embarrassment and floptitude of the Tom Hiddleston incident.
That was mutual clout-chasing sure, but Hiddleston should feel wildly embarrassed, not Taylor. Her actions were a little obvious but regular as far as celebrities go. His actions were clout-dropping. Although the walks with Hiddleston's mom(?) were hilarious.

[(Anonymous)]

Come on. I know it's what you do, tell people they're just confused when they've identified hypocrisy in your arguments. On the one hand, writing a song (leaving aside the subsequent relationship for the moment) about a family you're interested in is clout-chasing and poor form; on the other hand, indulging your prurient interests by speculating about their character and relationships is acceptable?

And you're right, I'm not really interested in judging the relationship ethics of strangers when there's nothing illegal going on and neither party has complained of foul play. I would consider *that* gross behavior.

[(Anonymous)]

Meadowphoenix has been guilty of telling people they’re just confused when that’s clearly not the case more than a couple times before, and a lot of the time it is when they get caught being hypocritical, this is true. Or at least, that’s how it’s seemed to go down from the perspective of someone who can’t actually read their mind.

But in this particular case, I don’t know whether it is actually hypocrisy. Or if it is, it’s not really equal hypocrisy. Being a famous songwriter writing a song about the famous family you’re interested in, while you’re dating a member of that family, isn’t really the same as some complete outsider speculating about the character of a famous person based on the available information that outsiders have been given. Meadowphoenix hasn’t really claimed to know if their judgements about Taylor are completely correct either, it’s just their own personal judgements, and they’ve been clear about that. So the hypocrisy that they might be displaying is so unequal and small as to feel inconsequential to me.

But I don’t really disagree with you that there isn’t really anything suspect about the relationship between Kennedy and Taylor, as far as it being nothing illegal and with no foul play involved. I don’t really think the age gap is a big deal either, it’s quite small. Although I respect their opinion that the lived experiences of a high schooler and a working woman are different enough to be off putting to them, even though I don’t know if I agree. At least as far as Kennedy barely being in highschool for much longer as an 18 year old at the time is concerned.

And I do agree with them about the clout-chasing, especially after they explained all of the different types of clout out there. That was an interesting read, with a perspective that I had never considered before.

So I get where both of you are coming from, while agreeing and disagreeing with certain aspects, is I guess what I’m saying. I know this comment isn’t useful to anyone, but *shrug*.

[meadowphoenix]

I know it's what you do, tell people they're just confused when they've identified hypocrisy in your arguments
Quote me and explain. I don't think that's what I do, and you did challenge a point I wasn't making. Saying you're confused is giving you the benefit of the doubt, tbqh.

On the one hand, writing a song (leaving aside the subsequent relationship for the moment) about a family you're interested in is clout-chasing and poor form; on the other hand, indulging your prurient interests by speculating about their character and relationships is acceptable?
Yes. That's not even hypocrisy. I don't care if Taylor speculates on the Kennedy's to her friends, anonymously on forums, whatever. I give ZERO fucks about her doing that. I don't care if she writes a private song. I care that she wrote a song on an album on major label meant to increase her professional artistry. If you see hypocrisy there, it's because you didn't know what I meant, but thought that your assumptions would suffice.

And you're right, I'm not really interested in judging the relationship ethics of strangers when there's nothing illegal going on and neither party has complained of foul play. I would consider *that* gross behavior.
Okay? Good on you for knowing yourself. I encourage that sort of thoughtful behavior!