[ SECRET POST #5540 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5540 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm surprised you expected some Bechdel test in the book.

[(Anonymous)]

Why is that?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, there was. MC talked to the two other female pilots about their lives and the closest they got to talking about men was talking about family, which includes men. A conversation about a group of people, as a group, that happens to include but isn't limited to men is a test pass.

Everyone forgets the Bechdel Test is literally about meeting the bare minimum, not just about women being awesome together in plentitudes, and not a judgment of the feminism of a singular work.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, so the one pilot spent most of their talking time convinced that MC was going to steal/kill her man with a side of 'you're weak because you still worry about the men.' The "friendlier" pilot's conversations almost entirely revolved around how to be a good partner to your man, with a side of "and if you're really good you can have babies with your man" and a 30 second detour into "I know your family treats you like shit because you're not a man, but you're really falling down on the filial piety here, MC."

The Bechdel Test is about meeting the bare minimum, and you've got to squint your eyes and smoke a bowl to even give them that in this book.

[(Anonymous)]

I always thought the Bechdel Test was a kind of stupid and arbitrary standard to begin with because like... if a woman talks to another woman about her sister, it's fine, but if it's about her brother, it's not?

[(Anonymous)]

It's meant to be a stupid, arbitrary, basic standard. That's the whole point. It's not to say a woman talking to another woman about her brother rather than her sister is wrong, it's to show how very few women get speaking parts at all, and how rarely they get to have plots that aren't all about men.

How many movies can you think of that have no "men talking to men about something other than women"? That should be the standard for all movies - sometimes you get something set in a single-sex environment for a reason, but the vast majority should include all kinds of people.

[(Anonymous)]

Like someone else said, it's a bare minimum kind of thing. There's no issue with two women talking about someone's brother. (Unless it's Bruno.) You only fail the Bechdel Test if you have an entire book/movie/series/whatever where no woman ever talks to another woman about anything that's not men, and the whole point is that so many books and shows abjectly fail the Bechdel Test despite what a stupidly low bar that is.