[ SECRET POST #5560 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5560 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Men are usually physically stronger. That's what it comes down to. Men posting this stuff about women always has a vague rapey threatening edge to it because of it. Something that's lacking from the examples above.

[(Anonymous)]

That, and also the tweets about the men tend to be "I'd like him to do [thing] to me," whereas the tweets about women tend to be "I'd like to do [thing] to her," and [thing] in relation to the women tends to be a lot more overtly violent in tone. Like, male celebrities get tweets that are raunchy and dirty; female celebrities sometimes get tweets that are baldly stated actual rape threats (and then they're dismissed as overreacting if they point out that those are rape threats and that they don't like it)

[(Anonymous)]

Considering all the "hurr Battinson is such a cute little breedable sub just waiting to get pegged" going on lately this obviously isn't always true.

[(Anonymous)]

Do those kinds of tweets show up in these videos?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean... no and they likely wouldn't because the tweets used in these are curated up front but that doesn't mean they don't exist. If they did this with females celebrities (Which I assume they wouldn't in the first place) they probably wouldn't use some creepy rape fantasies by men either.

[(Anonymous)]

Heh, I just made a similar point below, before clicking back and seeing yours. But pretty much all this, yep!

[(Anonymous)]

I'm kinda curious how you feel about the "I want her to step on me" types of thirst tweets in this context

[(Anonymous)]

OP - This is a very good point. I definitely do think the question of "how threatening is this likely to feel to the subject?" is what a lot of it hinges on. The way the tweets are phrased, and also the society we exist in, makes it a lot less likely that they will make the male celebs feel genuinely uneasy or potentially unsafe.

And the fact that they've agreed to do the bit in the first place strongly suggests that any discomfort they may feel while reading the tweets is something they're okay with. Which is important. If some talkshow host were just out there springing these tweets on them to get an "authentic" reaction, that would be very much not okay, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a shitty toxic attitude that can fuck right off though.

[(Anonymous)]

Truth plain and simple bud. Nowhere have I stated that it's intentional or that men are inherently rapey. It's just life, men are on the whole stronger. It defines the whole dynamic. Same reason why a woman walking alone at night is going to be a hell of a lot more worried about a man present than the other way around.

[(Anonymous)]

Still a shitty toxic attitude, the same one that leads to all the "men can't be raped by women because they are stronger and could just fight back if they didn't want it" crap.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it isn't. At it's very core it's just plain and simple fact.

The two things are not equivalent at all, what a load of bullcrap. Men can obviously be raped.

[(Anonymous)]

Doesn't change that the very fact you cite is used to dismiss male victims of female rape or domestic violence all the damn time. That is also a fact and no amount of you pretending it isn't will change that.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not pretending it isn't. What I'm saying is, DESPITE THAT, what I've said is true because, well, science basically. And that even if it gets misused, you cannot use its misuse to deny it. It's just the truth.

[(Anonymous)]

I never said it's not true, but the fact remains that what I said also is an issue. Both can be true at the same time.

[(Anonymous)]

So basically, your entire comment and point is an exercise in whataboutism presented as outrage. What a waste of everyone's time.

[(Anonymous)]

No, my point still is that the assumption that sexual messages are okay when sent by women and creepy when sent by men just because men are generally stronger is a toxic double standard.

[philstar22]

It isn't wrong to point out that men can and are raped, but it also isn't wrong to point out that most rapes are done to women by men. Both those things are true. Rape of men does happen, and should be treated the same as any rape when it happens. But disproportionately women are raped more and that also needs to be dealt with because it is reality.

[(Anonymous)]

That wasnt the point. The point is that "this isn't as bad because men are stronger than women and therefore it's only threatening if men do it" is part of the toxic attitude that men can't be victims of sexual or physical abuse by women because they're stronger.
Nowhere did I say men are raped as or more often than women.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

To the point that two out of the three of the examples cited above focus on what the (presumably female) thirster wants these men to do to them (whereas, when men post about female celebs they thirst after, it's about what they, the thirster, would do to the celeb). The power in (most) male-celeb cases is implictly kept in the hands of the men, which (hypothetically) makes it less uncomfortable.

(I personally do still find it uncomfortable even with male celebs and female thirsters, so YMMV. But there's definitely logic behind why it hits very very differently when you flip the genders).

[philstar22]

This. I still find both uncomfortable, but it still reads different to me most of the time (not always).