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⌈ Secret Post #5571 ⌋

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While there is no doubt that college is overpriced, it is still a benefit. Even those so-called useless degrees have graduates expressing job satisfaction. It isn't just learning the subject, but learning how to learn properly and how to express that learning properly. The only major change that colleges need to make, apart from being cheaper, is to fold in a small business course to each degree so that those wanting to make their subject their own gig, know how to do so effectively.

While parts of my college experience did feel like a waste at the time and tbh I still feel like course requirements were set so the university could milk more money from me (I did not need business calculus or biochemistry for my English degree thanks), just having a degree opens many doors that would remain closed without it.

The business course helps people understand how to set up viable businesses if they go into self employment, and biochem just helps you be a well rounded human being. Every degree, imo, needs a broader multidisciplinary curriculum.

I have used business calculus, or any kind of calculus, zero times in my adult life. I have never needed to call on anything I learned in my biochemistry class. So when I'm taking classes I will never use in the future and being charged $13k a year to do it, it feels very useless.

In my program, there were a couple of basic science classes included because in order to advance and really understand the material, people needed to also take an anatomy class and there was no way they were going to really understand it without taking a biology class and a chemistry class first. It also helped if they'd had a basic college Physics class as well.

I run a business. I have literally never needed to use business calculus in my life.

Every degree, imo, needs a broader multidisciplinary curriculum.

Okay, if we're going to talk about annoyingly privileged perspectives, THIS^ is a great example!

The idea that people ought to be spending thousands and thousands of additional dollars with no direct purpose in particular, but just so they can be "a well-rounded human being" is an incredibly privileged argument.

John Mulaney's joke, otoh, was just funny and mostly true.

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Someone not having the opportunity to go to college doesn't make him wrong to bitch about prices.

Freaking this ^

the part of that routine that infuriates me is that it goes on "... and then I DIDN'T". As in, he whines about having paid too much for a degree that he also DID NOT BOTHER TO PUT EVEN MINIMAL EFFORT INTO.
(Also very annoyed that students like that get degrees at all; a GOOD college fails students like that and does not give them a degree, no many how many thousands of dollars they've spent)

He’s whining about prices, which is perfectly understandable. He’s also making fun of himself for not doing the work, and spending all of his time sleeping, drinking, and doing drugs instead. You can complain about the prices whether you did the work or not.

The fact that this infuriates you is pretty dumb, honestly. Y’all need to calm down.

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This is a comedy routine, yes?

Yes

It's true, though. I know multiple people who got degrees that were, unequivocally, a waste, and they themselves will be the first to admit to that.

As someone with an English degree that, yeah, pretty much is a waste (but still enjoyed my college experience), I thought this bit was hilarious.

This is not to say that college isn't overpriced and that no classes are time wasters. I mean that a college degree opens up a lot of doors even going opens up social circles and ignoring that is obtuse.

So why do you think he’s an asshole for joking about his own personal college experience if you understand this? He’s not actually saying college as a whole is pointless.

SA

I probably phrased my comment as more of an attack than I meant, an you definitely don’t deserve that, so I apologize for that. It’s just that your clarification makes your secret about confusing for me, because it feels like a slight contradiction. Idk, I’m probably way off as I usually am, but I don’t get it.

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I grew up poor, I'm still poor, and no one in my family has ever gone to university.

I thought it was hilarious. Also, most of my friends with degrees vouch for it being accurate, so. *shrugs*

The fact that a college degree IS often a necessary stepping stone to... hell, not even success, SOME kind of passable career unless you're willing to wreck your body in the trades (but this isn't about that) makes the whole situation with college education in the US even MORE galling, imo. I get that this is a bit and Mulaney doesn't go hard on late stage capitalism, but the price of a degree, its lack of useful application, and the existence of people who can't afford to go to college at all, they're all part of the same problem, OP.

its lack of useful application

I mean, maybe if you got a generic humanities degree, but most jobs that will actually pay you a good salary require the degrees they do for a reason - because the knowledge and experience that you get from it are crucial to the job.

It is true that, for undergraduate degrees which directly qualify you for a lucrative career path, the knowledge and experience that you get from those degrees are crucial for the job. But those degrees are the exception, not the rule. Most undergraduate degrees don't specifically qualify you for any particular job (beyond the general fact of having a college degree). A business major, a history major, an English major, a political science major, a communications major, and a psychology (undergraduate) major will be more or less equally qualified for the same jobs. And a lot of other career paths will require further training to qualify you for a job beyond the undergraduate degree.

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If you believe the only purpose of a university is to turn out technically trained workers to meet the demand of the market, and not to produce an overall more educated, critically capable, socially aware populace, then sure. I personally believe there is room for both in higher education BUT the problem that’s specific to the US is that a college education is expensive no matter what you plan to do with it. I think that’s actually what Mulaney was getting at too: that he had to pay a lot of money to be told to read Austen. He chose to do that degree so it couldn’t have been the reading Austen part he had an issue with. It was the cost. That kind of education should be free or close to free, as it is in many other developed countries.

Also, specifically to address your claim that the right degrees always adequately prepare you for lucrative jobs, that is quite inaccurate at the undergraduate level and even becoming an antiquated notion beyond college. Higher education is currently having a hard time keeping up with the technically advanced reality of the workplace, so reskilling and upskilling both become increasingly necessary to stay competitive in the fields with the highest compensations.

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