[ SECRET POST #5583 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5583 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I rewatched FMAB a while back and had the same thoughts, OP. I don't like her at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I liked her character design and that was about it. Alex Louis Armstrong is the superior Armstrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh. I didn't think anyone in the military was meant to be seen as a total hero (that was...kind of the point of everything Mustang's faction did and said about their roles), and it seemed clear to me that she was too much of a hardass, but very effective for the parts she could help with.

Then again I'm OOTL for the modern fandom. I'm still in relieved shock we're not reliving the RoyEd and Edvy days.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I feel like it's very much not supposed to be the side we're on. She and Briggs just happen to be very badass.

We're mostly supposed to be on Ed's side. Mostly, because a lot of times it's obvious that he's a child (and a non-Ishvalan one when it comes to those topics), but overall the ideas that Olivier believes aren't supposed to be "right." She does, after all, call her brother soft for choosing to stop committing war crimes and Mustang's group soft for trying to decrease casualties during the coup.

As for fandom, OP, I think it's more of an instance of current fandom actually enjoying a flawed character. If you feel you can't criticize her, you need to explore the fandom a bit more/branch out, because even her big fans in the parts I'm in do understand that she's not the best. You can like her and understand she's very flawed.

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I never got far enough in Brotherhood to see much of Olivier, but everything I've seen in the fandom since she first appeared indicated that the fandom at least thinks she's supposed to be loved for being a badass. Nothing about her being a badass antagonist, just a straight up badass girlboss who is better than all your weak female faves. But then, fandom ruining characters by reading them wrong until the fanon reading overtakes canon is pretty standard fandom stuff.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

She IS a badass, and she ended up on the right side, but she's neither an antagonist nor a hero. None of the members of the military were or are heroes, but some of them did the right thing in the end. If you don't like her, that's fine, she's a minor character, but she's not a villain OR a hero.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Because...she's not an antagonist. She's not a great person, and definitely is fucked up and fascist, but she's not an antagonist.

[(Anonymous)]

I am indifferent to her for the most part. I have always interpreted it that while she is capable and her austere and harsh leadership fits the climate and needs of where she is stationed, she isn't meant to be exempt from the criticism of the military (a huge theme in the story). Yeah she is badass, but that's more of an author appeal thing I think (Lust is cool and strong, let's not get into Riza and Izumi - this is definitely not a negative btw). Olivier always seemed like more of a "I do what I have to do and focus on that" type character, who lends support but isn't ever going to be a person who spearheads institutional change like Mustang. She focuses on doing her job and saving the people under her, instead of looking at the mistakes and genocide too closely. She definitely lacks the driving need for redemption of other notable military characters (although I can't remember if it was stated she was part of the Ishvalan genocide, or was still up North for that).

Itls late, hopefully this sounds coherent! I also haven't read FMA in a few years.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly!

[(Anonymous)]

I feel this. She was actually one of the reasons why I put the manga on hold like 10 years ago. ....and then I never got the chance to finish it. One day... one day I swear I will finish the last volumes... That I actually bought back then.

[(Anonymous)]

I honestly love her so much...