[ SECRET POST #5624 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5624 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I have to disagree. He's NOT the same Steve she fell in love with BECAUSE of those 15 years of life experience. And even more, he has changed by the very nature of being there, in her universe. The man she fell in love with was the man who never ran away from a fight, the man who hated bullies, the man who did what needed to be done, regardless of personal feelings. This Steve is now running away from his whole life. If he's "retired" then he's actively NOT helping Peggy in her life's work, the goal she thought they both shared. The Steve she fell in love with is literally IN THE ICE.

[(Anonymous)]

Look, like I said, I'm not a fan of what they did with Steve in the end. But we're gonna have to agree to disagree here, because I do not see any of this as remotely as cut and dry as you do.

He IS the same Steve, but he is also fifteen years older and more experienced, as is she. Maybe that will prove to be an insurmountable distance for them, but maybe it won't.

The Steve she fell in love with is both in the ice AND standing right there, fifteen-years-older and only slightly worse for wear. Both of those things are simultaneously true.

There is nothing saying he isn't fighting the good fight with Peggy (and Bucky). Peggy obviously is nowhere near retirement at that point in time; why would Steve be retired? He's still young! There's lots to do! "CIA Agent Peggy Carter and Future Avenger Steve and Rescued & Rehabilitated Bucky plus/minus Freshly Thawed Soldier Steve all team up and work together to make a better future for humanity" sounds pretty awesome, honestly. I'd watch that tv show.

The only significant reason I still don't like it is because Steve still left "our" Bucky behind, which doesn't seem like something he'd do--especially not while Bucky is still really traumatized and struggling to get his footing in the world.

[(Anonymous)]

If Steve wasn't doing this for "retirement" then he just abandoned all his friends and the life he made in the present time for a woman he never went on a date with. Like you said, he would have left HIS Bucky (and Sam and Sharon) behind with apparently nary a thought. That smacks to me of absolute grade A heteronormative bullshit. He has community, friends, a job, a support structure. If he's not retiring to the past, then what is the point of going? To go back and fight things that have already happened?

No, it's because the writers have to conform to the idea that romantic love is more important and consuming than any other kind, and they backed themselves into a corner.
Steve and Peggy hadn't even been on a DATE and she is somehow more important to him than the people he's fought with and bled with for much longer than he was with the Howlies, not to even mention Bucky, who did both? Absolutely not. It's character assassination in the service of stopping the icky gays from latching on. There's no way to have Steve and Peggy of the same universe together without it being horrifically toxic or character assassination.

[(Anonymous)]

No, Steve longs for the past in part because it's what he knows. He feels displaced in the future. I prefer the idea of him acclimatizing to the present, too, but it's just plain incorrect to argue that the only reason Steve wanted to go back was for Peggy. Peggy was a big part of it, and I RME at that too, but the narrative has always been clear on the fact that Steve doesn't feel at home in the present.

So he stays because he wants to be in a time that feels more like home to him, and to be with Peggy.

It's not like he has a lot of super close relationships in the present. He has work friends. Very good work friends that he cares about, but work friends nonetheless. Work friends and Bucky. Bucky is really the one glaring problem with the whole thing, as far as I'm concerned.

[(Anonymous)]

His whole narrative arch was about making a new home after an unrecoverable loss. Going into the past destroys the whole thing and makes his journey meaningless.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel that way, too. But the alternative viewpoint is that you've misconstrued the nature of Steve's narrative arc. I suspect that's what the Endgame writers would say. They clearly thought the end they gave him concluded his narrative arch, which strongly implies they viewed Steve's arch differently than we do. *shrugs*

[(Anonymous)]

DA In which case the Endgame writers are idiots.

[(Anonymous)]

I would be very interested to know what that could possibly be. The simplest explanation is that they got scared of the gay.

[(Anonymous)]

Same here. It certainly looked that way.