[ SECRET POST #5668 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5668 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

0/10 trolling

[(Anonymous)]

How is it trolling? In the same breath you'd probably say that he/him lesbians are valid despite it being an entire contradiction. And I personally DO know a lot of nonbinary people that consider themselves lesbians. Are they trolling? Are you?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I personally would not say that, because to me, identifying as a woman is an important part of being a lesbian. (Not at all saying there's anything wrong with being nonbinary, but the definition of lesbian includes being a woman, and nonbinary people aren't women.)

[(Anonymous)]

i think you need to reexamine how you view nonbinary people & also just the sheer practicality of type your stance. nonbinary can't be lesbians because they're not women, but they also can't be heterosexual because neither men nor women are of the "opposite" gender to them. i guess they're allowed to be bisexuals? but what if they're exclusively attracted to men or women? demanding they come up with special new terms because you think they can't experience attraction to women like a lesbian seems to me like you're not ok with nonbinary people.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

But what's stopping AMAB nonbinary folks from calling themselves lesbians, then?

And on the flipside, what is the point of an AFAB transman calling himself a lesbian, when that would literally mean they prefer to still be viewed as a woman who loves women?

If the term means nothing, why have it at all?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT if a nonbinary person would consider themselves a lesbian, they can be a lesbian. If they don't, they're not. It's not that complicated.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT
So if a man considers himself a lesbian, is he a lesbian?

[(Anonymous)]

No, because men are decidedly not lesbians and never have been. Genderfluid and nonbinary individuals, however, have historically always had a place at the lesbian table (as have bisexuals!) partially by virtue of the complicated gender situations of the past, and partially because they are Not Men, which is really the key point.

[(Anonymous)]

what a perfectly good faith argument that i definitely should engage with :)

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

What contradiction? He/Him lesbians are women. Who use he/him pronouns. That's not a contradiction. Your pronouns aren't your gender, they're just the words you want to be talked about with.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

The bizarro land in which clearly gendered pronouns say nothing about your gender only exists in fantasy.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

you clearly don't know as many lesbians as I do.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Ah yes the bizarro world known as...the entire recorded history of butchdom.

[(Anonymous)]

Idk, almost all people I know who identify as NB either also identify as lesbians or bisexual ( which is kinda funny considering I would would have ecpected them to be the first people to insist they're pansexual instead but oh well).