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⌈ Secret Post #5678 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I don't think there's anything wrong with morbid fascinations, but the other stuff you're talking about is pretty fucked up yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm always struck by those kinds of cases, too. Especially when it's within the family. Same with the cases where one spouse murders the other. Just the "why" of it all, what led this family/this couple to fall apart as it did (presuming they ever had a period of stability at all, that is), and the kinds of family/relationship dysfunction that can lead to that kind of horrific outcome...there's something very haunting about those kinds of stories (case in point, there's a story on an episode of "Deadly Women" that I'm watching right now about a mom who took out her entire family because she thought she was "protecting" them from the end of the world).

I also agree with you on the cutesy attitudes and slang and such that people throw around in regards to these kinds of stories, and how weird it is to say you have a "favorite" murder. It's one thing to ask what cases are especially memorable or have stuck with somebody, or something like that, but yeah, while I do find true crime interesting, I wouldn't say I have "favorite" cases, no. That just sounds weird.

[(Anonymous)]

A true crime/murders podcast I used to listen to had the hosts always close with "Until next time!.... if we live until next time..." and I thought it was in really poor taste as well.

[dani_phantasma]

Yeah I like true crime to some extent but I feel like some people forget that there were real people effected by this , who lost a loved one. I can't imagine how it would feel to hear someone calling your tragedy their "favorite" murder.


Also the cases I'm especially interested in don't really fill me with warm fuzzies. A case I was obsessed with as a teen , the Stephanie Crowe case filled me with frustration and dread at the implications of showed about the police and humanity .

That people will suspect you of murdering your own family because you like dark stuff or because you wrote a story where a character did it (the latter especially horrifies me as a writer.).

Or that the cops will railroad you into confessing to something whether you did it or not just to close a case .

I'd say I find it interesting as a case but I wouldn't call it my favorite. A 12 year old girl died horribly ffs.

[(Anonymous)]

I think a lot of people have some sort of morbid fascination -- I think it's part of human nature to be curious, confounded, want to know more, want to know why.

But the whole "haha lolz omg this killer was such a fool" while true, definitely...helps take the teeth off of what happened, the people affected -- there's the whole we know the names of the killers, but we don't remember the names of all the people they killed. And these were people who were dear to someone who in many cases is still alive. Like I get it a bit, there are some fucked up things that I treat nonchalantly. But over time, some of those things have changed and should be treated with a certain level of respect, at least for the victim. I think listening to casefile was what kind of changed my mind about it. He always treated the cases respectfully, there was no joking around, no lulz, none of that at all. And some episodes were distressing, others I skipped entirely until I eventually stopped listening because that's a lot of negative energy I don't need. But the thought of listening to "lmao murder" after that...just puts a rancid taste in my mouth. Again, looking at it from different perspectives maybe it makes people feel like they can learn/if found in a situation they know what to look out for because it's not all doom and gloom and very srs, but....murder and all that fucked up shit is very serious and not a game.

I recently started listening to Was I in a Cult, and the two hosta were in cults, and they're jokey about things (not the survivors of the cults, whom they invite to share their stories), and again, using humor to deal with traumatic things is a thing; I think it depends on how you approach and treat it. Others disagree with some of their joking around, but I guess we deal with things differently (and I guess personally, the fact that they left cults adds an air of legitimacy to the podcast for me, vs the vibes one would get from someone who was in a cult and is still processing; someone who's just curious or fascinated; a professor/scholar on the subject who may or may not have been in a cult; a therapist/psychologist who deals with deprogramming, and so on.

[(Anonymous)]

The whole point of true crime is glamorizing and exploiting tragedy. It's very pot kettle of you to be uncomfortable with people being open/talk about picking favourites when you yourself actively enjoy and seek out that same content. It's a fandom like everything else, and you are willingly a part of it.

[(Anonymous)]

"The whole point of true crime is glamorizing and exploiting tragedy."

Disagree. A lot of it can be like that, of course. But there's absolutely true crime content that tries to stick to just reporting the known facts of the case without romanticizing or glamorizing it.

It's very pot kettle of you to be uncomfortable with people being open/talk about picking favourites when you yourself actively enjoy and seek out that same content.

Nah. Not everyone enjoys fandom in the same way, even when they're in the same fandom. The people who watch Supernatural and enjoy it aren't cut from the same cloth as the tinhatters who think the stars are in a secret relationship IRL and send hatemail to their wives. It's not rational or reasonable to tar everyone with the same brush just because they like the same media.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

No. We aren't talking about the news, we're talking about a media broadcast that has to consider product, revenue, and ratings. They don't/cannot pick up some local murderer encyclopedia, they need sources, images, actor, and reference. The simple fact they have to sort through the deaths of numerous real life people and then ponder and consider which one they should feature on their next release is objectifying as all hell. It's meant for entertainment- they glorify, glamorize, romanticize, and absolutely exploit these people.


Also, it's funny you specifically chose a fandom who purposefully antagonize and harass innocent people due to their own delusional self-interest. Like what do you think true crime is exactly? How many murders do you actually believe have been identified or brought to justice due to the rehearsed lines they use to keep peoples interest? This is real life, these are real people, these are families who have died. The same way an actors partner or a persons role should not affect their personal lives, a persons tragedy should never be made into casual entertainment. There is a line, absolutely, but that line is bringing fiction into reality with a harmful result. True crime crosses that line by existence in itself, and you'd be a damned fool to believe that everyone traumatized by that crime and every line they recreate is inherently true or asked or considered by those who lost a loved one that day.

Dramatizations, based on true stories, and even documentaries, are all allowed to be legally false as they are all interpretations by nature. So forgive me when I question the integrity of people who make a profit out of false hopes and specifically brutal deaths. Let alone clock someone for being squeamish in the face of what they signed up for.

[(Anonymous)]

"No. We aren't talking about the news, we're talking about a media broadcast that has to consider product, revenue, and ratings. They don't/cannot pick up some local murderer encyclopedia, they need sources, images, actor, and reference."

You've got a very limited scope of what "true crime media" entails, and it's coloring your view of the entire genre and its fandom. As I said, you won't find me disagreeing that there's plenty of media out there like that - that was the point of my secret. But you cannot tar the entire genre with the same brush. That's simply not logical or accurate, just like it wouldn't be logical or accurate to do that with ANY fandom.

"Also, it's funny you specifically chose a fandom who purposefully antagonize and harass innocent people due to their own delusional self-interest."

That's an example of what I'm talking about - you're tarring an entire fandom with the same brush. There are people who watch the show and enjoy it, but do not engage in those types of behaviors. Acting like they don't exist is not logical. It's not accurate. Are you familiar with the term "vocal minority"? It's easy to see a vocal minority in action and make the mistake of thinking they're representative of the group as a whole. They are not.

"True crime crosses that line by existence in itself, and you'd be a damned fool to believe that everyone traumatized by that crime and every line they recreate is inherently true or asked or considered by those who lost a loved one that day."

Yes, I'd be a damned fool if I believed that. But I don't. Nowhere did I state anything that's even close to suggesting I believed that true crime is always and forever a 100% accurate depiction of events. The fact that you're trying so very hard to put those words into my mouth suggests that you're bringing a great deal of baggage and a huge chip on your shoulder into this discussion suggests that you're more interested in debating some imaginary opponent who exists elsewhere besides this thread vs. me, the person who's actually here and not saying those things.

"Dramatizations, based on true stories, and even documentaries, are all allowed to be legally false as they are all interpretations by nature. So forgive me when I question the integrity of people who make a profit out of false hopes and specifically brutal deaths. Let alone clock someone for being squeamish in the face of what they signed up for."

As I said earlier, it seems like you've got a fairly limited idea of what true crime media entails, and that's coloring your views on it. It doesn't seem like a great approach to know very little about the genre you're criticizing, but I can see you feel very strongly about this.

What doesn't make sense is the way you act like there's no such thing as degrees of interest in a given subject, so anyone who's interested in Subject A is in the same category as all the people who exhibit the worst fandom behavior. This is a common viewpoint of people who don't get out of fandom much. They make the mistake of equating ALL fan-related activity as being just like the most dramatic, awful examples of it they see on social media, etc. But that's not the case. It's not the case for ANY interest. There are always people who have an unhealthy interest in fandom and take that interest to excessive levels. And there are people who don't. That's just reality.

I won't suggest that you expand your knowledge and experience with true crime, since that's clearly not going to mesh with your interests. I'm not even sure if it'll comfort you to know that while there are people who are interested in true crime as a genre, they do NOT delight in gory details and exploitative media. There is true crime media that has the hope of sharing the stories of the victims or finding answers for their families, or spreading awareness for crimes that haven't received a proper investigation because of reasons like racism, poverty, etc.

Or... maybe you'll be happier not believing or accepting any of that because it might challenge your current negative view about true crime and the people who watch it. That's unfortunate, but it's your choice, even if it clearly makes you unhappy.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's human nature to have a morbid curiosity with death. It's the great unknown. It's human nature to be curious, especially with things we don't understand. There's nothing wrong with that. I've ventured into my own deep dives on solved/unsolved murders, listened to podcasts, watched documentary series/movies, read nonfiction books on murders, murderers, cults, FBI profiling criminals, etc.

I do however, struggle to connect to a lot of true crime stuff due to the "Stay Sexy Don't Get Murdered" sort of behavior/attitude towards it (feel like it's been way more of a ~thing~ in the past 3-4 years). Like, I think a lot of people who are into true crime or do true crime stuff think that we all want to feel like "Isn't this cool? Aren't we quirky and ~edgy~ for being into ~dark~ shit?"

And yeah, it's outside of easy-to-digest conversations like the weather or someone's latest hobby in baking bread or watching a new fictional tv show, but like...these stories are about real humans. What happened to them not only affected the people it happened to, but it affected their families, the community they lived, their friends and loved ones....like...it's more than just "teehee wasn't Ted Bundy a fucking weirdo creep that just wrecked havoc on the nation?"
Like, here's an average guy who harmed and killed dozens of women and it was turned into a farce. What does that say about what society thinks of women? But let's go off about Ted Bundy's life and the women who are fascinated by him. Because teehee we can judge people and compare ourselves to them.
So fucking disgusted by the ways true crime has been going. It's all about selling "fun" than it is to think about life and death and why humans inflict violence and pain and suffering upon each other.