[ SECRET POST #5735 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5735 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. It's gotten a bit out of hand. Still prefer people getting called antis to anttis calling everyone who doesn't agree with their purity culture pedophiles though.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Yeah. I'm inclined to agree. I have seen people randomly get called antis for silly nonsense reasons (see, ie, Sarah Z's video on the whole topic). But on the whole, antis calling people pedos and rape apologists does way more harm.

[(Anonymous)]

I have come across fiction in archiveofourown where the summaries are of five year olds being raped (one was of James Potter raping Harry and the summary explicitily mentioned Harry was five). I don't think it's "anti" to be disgusted by whoever wrote that fic and assume that they are a pedo. I think whoever would write such a fic does more harm than people who call them out!

[scissorsevered]

man, I guess that means all the people that make slasher films are disgusting filthy serial killers.

get a grip.

you absolutely have the right to not like something, but accusing people of being terrible things because of a fanfic they wrote that does not affect real people at all is stupid and pointless.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

The constant barrage of false accusations of pedophilia makes it much more difficult to take the real thing seriously. In fandom spaces, I now assume that accusation is bogus ship war bullshit 99% of the time (and I'm almost always right). For real victims, that truly sucks.

[(Anonymous)]

Same here. It's like the Boy Who Cried wolf. The accusations happen so often and they are so often false that people don't believe them when they're real. It makes it much harder to deal with genuine pedophiles and creepers who are preying on other people.

This doesn't just apply to "pedo" accusations either. It applies to a lot of the other "social justice" accusations that get levelled in ship wars as well.

[(Anonymous)]

1) i agree that such fic is deeply distasteful
2) it's fine to dislike such fic being posted
3) it's not the case that someone who writes or read such fic is a real-life pedophile
4) it *is* anti to say that someone who writes such fic is a real-life pedophile
5) it *is* anti to "call those people out" in a public way rather than leaving them alone
6) it *is* anti to try to get the fic taken down and banned

[(Anonymous)]

So people should not write fiction about things which, sadly and horrifically, happen in real life?

[scissorsevered]

seconded. these things wouldn't just stop happening if people stopped talking about it, it would just be left to fester while everyone ignores it.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? More harm than libel and slander?

Who's the victim?

[(Anonymous)]

I understand where you're coming from. I used to have anti opinions myself, though I never harassed anyone, so I get it.

But the truth is that the question of what, precisely, turns us on about a thing that turns us on, is a much more complicated question than it may seem at face value. To you it seems like if someone gets off on the scenario of a young child being raped, then obviously it must be the idea of a young child being raped that is arousing to that person. And undoubtedly there are instances where that is true; instances where someone gets off on the scenario of child rape because they themselves are aroused by children. However, there are also many instances where the thing about said scenario that is arousing to the author/reader is actually--contrary to how it may seem--not about child rape at all. The fact that sex is occurring between a very underage character and an adult character is...perhaps not incidental per se, but is merely the trappings of the kink, not the kink itself.

What is the kink itself, if it's not the child rape? I can't answer that, because extremely underage content isn't something I'm into. But I do know that I have a "weird" kink or two of my own that aren't really about what, on the surface, they seem to be about.

As for the argument that Dead Dove content is socially harmful, I would argue that some random's Dead Dove fanfic on AO3 is unlikely to have any measurable, quantifiable effect on the greater landscape of society. I'm not going to argue that it is absolutely, verifiably, 100% harmless, because I can't know that. But the same can be said for literally any media property in existence. It is entirely possible that Sesame Street could be used to cause harm, or that someone could somehow construe something harmful from Sesame Street. If you're genuinely worried about something poisoning the water of society in some way, then it just doesn't make rational sense to waste time fretting over fanfic, given that even the most popular fanfic has extremely limited impact within the cultural landscape--and also given that fanfic's subversiveness as a medium would severely limit its ability to function as a normalizing force, even if we were to presuppose that fiction's ability to normalize concepts and behaviors was something worth being concerned about in the first place (which is a very contentious topic in its own right).

[(Anonymous)]

+ 1000, what an excellent comment.

I do know that non-con/rape fantasies are extremely common, and the majority of the people who have them are putting themselves in the place of the victim, not the rapist. I have no reason to think people with underage fantasies would be any different. Perhaps they're working out something that happened to them (and if so, it is SO VERY MUCH none of my business), perhaps the feeling of smallness/powerlessness, etc., comes from a different place, maybe it's a metaphor for something else. Who can say?

It's very much not my thing, but I just say "ew" quietly in my own head and scroll past until I find something I like better.

[(Anonymous)]

I used to like reading rape fics and other Dead Dove content for the thrill of knowing I was reading something that my parents and other authority figures would be horrified by. And for the thrill of knowing I was mature enough to handle reading it without closing the browser in horror... although sometimes I did do that, so looking back it was kind of like a test of courage. I was not really as mature as I thought I was, but I was blowing off steam and testing my boundaries in a way that didn't involve anything that put me in real danger, like doing drugs or playing chicken.

[(Anonymous)]

+2000

If I don't like the content of something fictional, I don't consume it.