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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2022-09-28 08:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #5745 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5745 ⌋

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OP

(Anonymous) 2022-09-29 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
like anon above me says, it's more "you're not supposed to do this, but I planned for you to do this for everything to work out like I want, but also since you're not supposed to I'm going to punish you, but its supposed to work that way"

and this propagates to the Valar-Numenor interactions. There is a "death is a gift from god" underlying that whole saga that is where men are effectively deemed ungrateful for that gift, that either don't want or don't understand, and punished even though they are created to be more susceptible to evil than the more immortal Middle Earth beings.

ayrt

(Anonymous) 2022-09-30 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
idk if you'll see this OP but I get you. I'm an ex-christian personally, so I find a lot of extremely obvious chrstian allegory/metaphor hard to swallow, and that definitely includes Morgoth, the gift of death, and other bits. But if you can take a moment to step back and realize that Tolkien did absolutely nothing with Iluvatar directly outside the Ainulindale, you can divorce the character from the allegory easily - and also laugh that Tolkien got on Lewis' case for heavy-handed allegory and then turned around and did a little heavy-handed allegory of his own. It is really gross how susceptible men are compared to dwarves, elves, and hobbits, but I guess Tolkien saw enough of man's complete inhumanity during the war to be very pro-human.