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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2022-10-30 04:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #5777 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5777 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2022-10-31 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think anyone was saying "there's no conceivable way", just that with what we have, she wasn't a lesbian. She COULD be! But again, that requires extrapolation and interpretation and an extra step. Likewise, IF she were a lesbian, it COULD be lesbophobic. but that's a step removed from the reality of the situation.

To put it in my real life, if you called me a lesbian at 20, you'd be wrong, even though at 30, I'm absolutely a lesbian and always was, despite my past relationship with a boy. It would not be lesbophobic to call 20-year-old-me bisexual, and I would have at that time called it biphobic to erase my relationships and say they wouldn't matter in the long term, because I hadn't gotten there yet. Does that make sense?

(Anonymous) 2022-10-31 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think anyone was saying "there's no conceivable way"

Somebody in the original thread literally did say that it was bi erasure for anyone to see Korra as a lesbian. Like. There was a post that said "it's not bi erasure if someone else sees Korra as a lesbian", and then someone replied to that and said "Yes it is when the character has canonically expressed sexual interest in men. Korra likes men and women, full stop". And then they said that people are obsessed with insisting characters are lesbians.

I think I understand the point you're making - we know that Korra dated both boys and girls and we shouldn't erase or ignore that fact. I don't want to erase that fact or ignore that fact, and I don't know if anyone is trying to erase or ignore that fact. I don't think anyone is saying that Korra was definitely a lesbian and her previous relationships definitely don't matter and will never matter and it's wrong to say she could be bisexual. If people had said that, it *would* be bi erasure (and if there's a post I forgot about where someone did say that, I agree that it's bad). But I also don't think that it's bi erasure to think that Korra *could* be a lesbian rather than bisexual or to HC the character as a lesbian.

(Anonymous) 2022-10-31 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed. It's just the entire argument started with "Korra is a lesbian" and "actually Korra is bi" and devolved from there. By the time the validity of headcanon entered the chat, it was already too late and moats had been dug.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-01 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
I agree that it was wanky on all sides, and I'm sorry to keep talking about it, but this is kind of the central point that I am trying to make here: "Korra is a lesbian" was not the position that people on that people were actually digging a moat around in the first place, they were digging a moat around "Korra could be a lesbian". I'm honestly sorry to keep hammering on this, but I feel like it's a really important distinction, because if the initial point was that Korra was definitely a lesbian, that plays into the whole idea that it was biphobic. And I really wish people wouldn't portray it that way.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-01 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
+1000000

This is what I've been trying to say all along.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-01 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
The secret itself said Korra /was/ a lesbian. The OP of the thread that devolved disagreed. That was the start. "Could be" came later.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-01 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
I guess I interpreted the secret a lot more charitably than most other people are willing to. I figured that it was the secret OP's headcanon, and even if they did think Korra was lesbian, well, that's just their interpretation of canon. It wasn't necessary to come rolling in to immediately accuse them of erasure.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-01 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
*DA, btw. So they aren't the only one who thinks this.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-01 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
No, it started when someone claimed that someone saying Korra was lesbian is bi-erasue. Be honest.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-01 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
DA No one in that thread was saying that Korra was definitely lesbian. Just that it was a a reasonable interpretation of the canon to see her as lesbian, just as the bi interpretation is also reasonable.