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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2022-11-20 03:33 pm

[ SECRET POST #5798 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5798 ⌋

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[Jeeves and Wooster]


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[Devil May Cry V]


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[Vanderpump Rules]


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(Anonymous) 2022-11-21 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this is absolutely how I've always viewed it, and also how I've always seen other people in fandom frame it as well.

Personally I actually like S6. In some ways not specific to BTVS, I even prefer Marti's narrative vibe to Joss's. But S6 absolutely did feel like it took a weird, dark, twisty detour off the path, and I can't really blame the fans who weren't feeling it.

(Anonymous) 2022-11-21 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
s6 has its moments but it has to take a gigantic dump on every single character to get anywhere (fundamentally, for the whole buffy/spike thing to work it requires buffy to be abandoned by everyone else she's ever cared about - and that's before looking at the implications of the magical crack addiction business, a plot whedon hated so much he retconned it the first chance he got) and the evil willow "arc" is nonsensically rushed

(Anonymous) 2022-11-21 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
All valid points, IMO. For me, a lot of S6 works on its own, but it isn't a good continuation of what the show had been up until that point. "Magic as drug" works for me as a concept, but doesn't jive with how magic was previously established within the BtVS narrative. Giles leaving is a brutal emotional thread that plays very potently into the thematic thrust of the season...but the reasoning behind why he leaves is flimsy bullshit.

As for Willow's turn to the dark side, I don't necessarily think it was rushed per se, so much as that it fundamentally relies on certain very comic-book-inspired tropes that I don't personally vibe with. Like, even if Willow had never had her "rock bottom" moment at the end of Wrecked, and had just kept down that path for the rest of the season, I still don't think it would make her attempt to end the world feel adequately explained. Because fundamentally I just don't really accept the core trope at play, which is that Good Person + Grief & Despair + Power = World-Ending Megalomaniac.

But I do think there are other ways they could have gotten to the same end-point (Willow nearly ending the world) with most of the same elements in play. Like--just spitballing--if Tara had died as an indirect/semi-direct consequence of Willow's spiraling behavior, and then the process Willow was going to use to bring her back was actually going to cause an apocalypse, but Willow was too off her head on grief, magic, and shame to recognize or accept that her desperate plan to "fix everything" was actually going to destroy everything. Like, obviously it's entirely down to personal preference, but for me something like this would've worked better because it's not relying on the fundamental trope of a "good guy" with power "snapping" and becoming temporarily "evil".