[ SECRET POST #5806 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5806 ⌋

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[meadowphoenix]

The West Wing? Where he plays the most assholey of the bunch? A well-intentioned asshole sure, but definitely the one with the least ethical boundaries of any of them. Like I kept thinking, "this dude would love being a lobbyist." I get that they were trying to make him come across as not a smooth political operator in the beginning but blech. He's my least favorite main on that show.

Parks and Rec he's fine, his natural vibes are suppressed by the character's general optimistic golden retriever personality. That man would never be tempted to sell out his mother like I sometimes suspect of Sam Seaborn.

He was part of the "Brat Pack" in the 80s, and frankly they all had asshole vibes to me, except for Emilio sometimes. They were just cool cliquey assholes.

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NAYRT

Sam's characterization on the show is weird bc so much of it is bound up with Aaron Sorkin's outlook and perspective on the world, IE, mid-90s rich Clintonite yuppie elite George Stephenapolous liberalism. So Sam is a big high-priced attorney and elitist insider who is also fiercely ethical and committed to moral goodness and he's going to change the world. And in Sorkin's view there may be contradictions between those two things in the fine details. But there's no fundamental contradiction, it's just naturally true that elitist insiders are both incredibly talented and smart, and also good-hearted and genuinely committed to improving the world.

And it's kind of hard to figure out what stance to take on this as a viewer. Like, from my point of view, the very idea that we're supposed to take seriously the moral pain that this guy undergoes as a result of him setting up a corporate deal to allow oil companies to evade environmental regulations is palpably absurd. On the other hand, the show's internal moral logic is fully committed to that. In fact, I think the show's position is that Sam is most annoying and assholish *because* he is so committed to ethics and moral goodness. But ultimately I think that's a flaw with the show as much as anything.

Also personally I did always find Chris Traeger really annoying and douchey but that's probably just me

[meadowphoenix]

So...a lobbyist? (eta: I should be more specific. to me it wasn't what he did, it was that whenever someone called him on something, it felt like he immediately tried to excuse himself from actual responsibility. belch).

I mean, I do think Chris Traeger would sell you "vitamins" but I also think he'd think they'd work. He comes across as more oblivious to other perspectives than assholish. He's fine in that world. I don't want him with Ann...but he's fine.