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⌈ Secret Post #5809 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You're strawmanning the argument against sending (more) American weapons and military personnel to Ukraine pretty badly, here. Countries have a generally-recognized right to do as they see fit, within their own borders, as long as their government is not engaging in genocide. If they are, other countries can and do take that as cause for declaring war, especially if it's their people being massacred. Borders have been redrawn over exactly that before.

That's the cause Russia invoked publicly. While western media has pooh-poohed it and is heavily paraphrasing Russian speeches to avoid addressing any of what's said, I haven't seen them refute evidence or prove that Russia was lying.

I loathe the way Putin panders to the orthodox church and conservatives. But it seems to me that NATO incited the politicians in Ukraine to pick a fight with Russia, so that the US could have another proxy war, instead of an unpopular officially declared war.

Also, the various actual abuses that take place during war do not discriminate between wars that are fought for noble causes and wars that are sheer profiteering. So most of the reasons people are anti-war in general apply.

[(Anonymous)]

That's all bullshit.

Russia's claims are very transparently not true. People were not being massacred in Ukraine. The burden of proof would be on you or on the Russians to prove that; but you can't, because it wasn't taking place. There were outstanding issues wrt language politics that needed to be addressed through existing political mechanisms. But that's hardly a legitimate casus belli.

At no point did Ukraine "pick a fight with Russia." Russia had previously annexed Ukrainian territory, and then launched a further invasion without any real provocation or justification other than a belief in an expansive view of Russian hegemony, a belief that Ukraine should be a suzerain to the Russian state and Russian people and that Russia should be able to determine the internal affairs and foreign relations of Ukraine. Those are the facts of what happened.

The abuses that take place in war do not discriminate based on the justness of the struggle. But when one country launches a war of choice and then engages in massive war crimes in its conduct of that war, the responsibility for those crimes rightly lies with them, and only with them.