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fandomsecrets2023-01-13 06:30 pm
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[ SECRET POST #5852 ]
⌈ Secret Post #5852 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Nu: Carnival]
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08. [SPOILERS for Attack on Titan/Berserk]
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09. [SPOILERS for Scum Villain's Self-Saving System]
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10. [SPOILERS for Deltarune]
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11. [WARNING for discussion of non-con themes]
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12. [WARNING for discussion of pedophilia/non-con]
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13. [WARNING for discussion of suicide, sexual assault, sexual assault involving a minor]
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OP
(Anonymous) 2023-01-14 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)On the matter of 1), yes, I do agree. I do not enjoy the streams getting crossed, especially in stories that are mass popular. It's for two reasons. The first is as you've described, where rape and its effects on victims is supposed to be taken seriously in the narrative, but the creator sexualizing it is just fucking horrible to me. Meanwhile, rape kink porn I would simply not blink an eye at. The second is because as stories become more mass popular, I feel that the audience moves towards being composed of people who don't care about the difference between something horrible done to people in porn and IRL. As clearly demonstrated, we live in a fuck of a world, and the dumbest timeline.
On 2), I feel misunderstood so I'll say that me going "yep, it's just as I suspected with Miura," is pretty much me getting confirmation that some story elements that fans justify as HARDCORE and XTREME is just there for the sake of a wank. Me feeling justified doesn't go any further than that. I have nothing to say about his IRL morality as an author for having a rape kink and interest in children. I know already that Miura was non-offending IRL with his tastes; I don't even think he was a creep IRL. He was probably highly affable. It's just that I was bothered with some of his narrative decisions being decided with his horniness in conjunction to how people bent over backwards to not acknowledge it. As stated before, I don't like it when the streams are crossed, and bad justifications are done. For example, I find Hideo Kojima's extended hours-long biology lessons for why a teenage girl sniper is physically incapable of talking and will suffocate if she isn't scantily dressed bad. I respect and adore Yoko Taro for just saying that he likes robot girls in skirts, and that's why the game is like that. Like, don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining, that's all.
It's funny that you mention GRRM as he is someone else who I also did get annoyed with how popular his stories became, and the sexualization of rape while supposedly taking the impacts seriously. I know already that large amounts of noncon fanfic on the internet is written by women, and as previously stated, that's fine! I'm not opposed to it! Dare I say I even read it? But I do believe sincerely that there male authors, especially from older generations, are not inserting their rape kink into their own writing in the same social context that you or a woman would. That is why I feel that "old dudes passing their creepy rape kink off as Serious Fantasy" is still on occasion a very valid critique.
I have no real advice for you as a writer, other than despite any disagreements we may have, I feel that it is important for you to continue on writing what you personally enjoy, rape kink or not. I am capable of having nuance on the matter, but I don't like what audiences do sometimes when it comes to crossing the streams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke1YKF3tNCE
tl;dr I'm not ascribing IRL morality to anything here.
Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2023-01-14 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)Ohh, got it. Sorry, I misunderstood the point you were making.
I do also agree with your point that I prefer the straightforward Doylist explanations of "Hm yeah, the reason I put this in the story is because I think it's sexy" as opposed to the convoluted Watsonian explanations of "Well if you TRULY understand the worldbuilding I'm doing and the symbolism I am trying to get across..." And like yeah, having that realization of "Oh. Wait. The author just has a rape kink," can actually help you get past some of the jarring "Hm the writing is seriously undermining its own message here??" hangups when reading a work.
I guess I have more to say about how I do think old man authors are engaging with the worldbuilding and morality of grimdark worlds in interesting ways (even if their iddy kink scenes undermine that), and also that I think the medium you publish in and whether it allows for open acknowledgement of kink probably makes more a difference than other societal context (like gender or age), and also that I think that people in general (not saying you) aren't really used to openly acknowledging kink and id when evaluating the quality or value of a work (it's kind of a new phenomenon maybe? or at least the terms are new, maybe?), but yeah, I'm having difficulty saying any of that succinctly so I'll just leave it at that.
Sorry for misunderstanding, and thanks for clarifying!