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⌈ Secret Post #5856 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Can someone explain the appeal of incest as your kink in fic? I'm not talking about two characters playing DD/lg, I'm talking about the characters of father and daughter (or mother and son) having sex. I keep getting disgusted by it and I think, "Why do they have to be related? The dialogue sounds hot but...they're related!"

[(Anonymous)]

It's taboo. Forbidden lust is always hot to some people. Not my scene personally most of the time, but that's a huge part of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I've read a few of these (none are my OTPs) and I think the taboo is part of the appeal. Like, I read one where Sam and Dean Winchester banged their mom lol. And they're straight and were not banging each other for a change.

I can only stand it if they're adults and it's consensual (though it can be argued that it isn't REALLY because of the family dynamics.)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not an avid incest-shipper but I do have a few incest ships and for me it's all about the horrible fucked-up mess of it. Like I am there specifically because it's an awful mess that's not good for either of the characters(bonus points for a heaping amount of unhealthy co-dependancy) and they shouldn't be doing it but they can't help it. So I guess it's the appeal of the forbidden and tabboo aspect of it, but yanno: explored safely in fiction. And no I don't want to bang my own sister xD.

Saying that I actually can't do parent/child incest, mine is stricly between siblings because I suppose I can get into that kind of mess but with parent/child I can't? Or at least I haven't yet gotten into a parent/child incest ship.

[tabaqui]

My incest 'ships are brother/brother or brother/sister or sister/sister 'ships. I don't care for parent/child, that really does squick me out, but sibling (or cousin) doesn't bother me.

I guess...because some 'verses have the siblings in a kind of 'us against the world' scenario, and a good writer can make that flow pretty easily and believably into a more intimate 'ship. And when it's done well, it's just GOOD, with that extra added touch of 'taboo' and 'secret'.

[philstar22]

The taboo is always going to be a strong kink for a lot of people. Incest isn't mine, but menage/threesomes/moresomes is a kink of mine. And part of the hint is definitely the taboo nature.


Also, sometimes the dynamic of a particular ship just works as a romantic ship regardless of if they are relatives. My only major incest ship is a cousin one, but I love the dynamic and would ship them regardless of whether they were related or not. TBH might even ship them if they were brothers. The dynamic is just that good to me.

[(Anonymous)]

I just don't see it as a reason not to ship two characters who I think have chemistry.

[(Anonymous)]

*shrugs* Is Character A hot? Is Character B hot? Doesn't matter what their relationship is, if they're hot than they're hot regardless.

[(Anonymous)]

parent/child I tend to find squicky but there are times when it works as an erotic horror thing... I don't look for it but if it's done well then the revulsion can add to the fascination even if I don't get off on it.

while a lot of popular sibling ships also squick me, like... okay look, that one coffee commercial? They were going to bang it out, and I can't see it any other way. I guess it's just a question of what the vibe is.

not a useful answer to your question, just the only thing I have to offer.

[(Anonymous)]

To add on to everyone else, I think for the parent/child thing there's a very heavy note of power imbalance with someone who can almost literally mold a new person.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have any incest ships, but my OTP is a very controversial mentor/mentee ship with a huge age gap, so I feel like I have at least a tangential perspective on this topic. Personally, I love smut in theory, but often I find it a bit boring once the UST is resolved. I know some people don't, but I do. So for me, taboo ships can often be so much hotter than non-taboo ones, because they have so much more space and flexibility to sustain the internal tension for basically as long as the author wants. Fics involving my OTP get arguably more tense after they finally actually touch each other, because instead of the fic downshifting into "happy RST sexytiems" to upshifts into "guilt and shame and telling themselves they won't do it again except that now that they've done it once they can't stop and god it's so messed up but it's so fucking hot," etc. etc.

Another thing I love about taboo ships is the emotional complexity of them. I love that, within the universe of the story, there's no real "solve" for the problem. It's a mess, and there's nothing the characters can do to make it not a mess. No matter how much they genuinely love each other, they can't make their relationship okay by societal standards. And no matter how much it's not okay by societal standards, it doesn't make them not love each other. It just is what it is, and they're left to grapple with that. It's an emotional Rubik's Cube that can never be entirely solved. (I don't think this element is necessarily as prominent in parent/child fics, because the idea of a genuinely loving incestuous parent/child relationship is...you know...not easily sold. But I think it can show up quite a bit in sibling ships, and definitely in the more problematic mentor/mentee ships.)

And then of course there's the fact that many people vibe hard with ships that are intense, pair-bonded, and co-dependent. But there aren't that many canonical ships which really commit to that dynamic. By contrast, canonical sibling relationships tend to be more likely to possess those qualities. So it makes sense, then, that people who vibe hard on that dynamic for their ships end up consuming stories that are giving them their favorite dynamic on a silver platter, with one little hiccup of shared genetics, and they go, Screw it, these bros are gonna fuuuuck.

Plus there's the "Just wanna see two hot people smash, literally do not care about the canonical context" crowd. Can't relate, but good for them.

[(Anonymous)]

I ship son/father incest in that order, where the son is the one banging the father like a screen door in a hurricane. It's the forbidden aspect, and the fact that it works so well with the failings of both characters - the father abandoned the child in a moment of cowardice and regretted it for the rest of his life. The son grew up feeling unloved and unlovable and could easily be spun into a 'wanting revenge' type deal and I just love fucked up shit so much that I ship it. People also write the father with HIS father sometimes and I can totally see that having been canon if the series had been darker so I will read that too but I don't ship it, I just love the fucked-up power dynamics and abuse.

[scissorsevered]

"banging the father like a screen door in a hurricane" is now part of my fandom vocabulary. I am going to say this to my friends incessantly.

[(Anonymous)]

I used to find (pornhub fake) stepsibling porn kind of…hot? like they’re not really related but they still need to sneak around?

[(Anonymous)]

LOL I was just thinking about how prevalent "incest kink" is now on my drive home from work this morning, and I think it has to do with the forbidden element of it.

Some of the most lasting and well known stories are about forbidden romances. Many take form in class differences, and I would say in more modern times queer romances are the most well known form of forbidden romances.

Take in that as a society we progress and start breaking barriers down so that we normalize pairing up despite class differences and normalize queer romances, we generally don't feel a deep sense "forbidden" with those once common tropes.

Not to say we all want to fuck our relatives. And I know people will take that idea and run with it and take it in bad faith.
It's just that thematically speaking for storytelling sake, the feelings of "this is forbidden", it's not as easy as it used to be to just make it about a closest pair of queers anymore. It's easier to understand the "forbidden" element when it's about incest. And again, this is the more "this is for storytelling for my entertainment" side of your brain. It's not a literal interpretation of your desires or interests.
And to get really serious, if this is in line with the way society progresses and we start confronting the darker elements of society that needs correcting/addressing, I would want people to not feed into their most basic discriminatory asshole takes and again just read this off as, "Bunch of weirdos wanting us to accept that fucking your relatives is normal."
No, what I want the discourse to be around is the abuse that happens in families. Incest happens because people sexually abuse their relatives and/or are sexually abused by their relatives.
If you want to truly de-stigmatize incest, we as a society have to come to terms with the abuse in the family home and listen to victims and try to find ways to help them heal. And that means not making jokes about people who have Daddy Issues whether or not they have a Daddy Kink, because it is minimizing not only their pains/abuse but it also goes back into everyone thinking our sex lives are public (similarly to general public thinking a woman or fat person's body is public for all to judge when they're walking around in public).

I honestly didn't think I would think this hard about it, but there you go. My not researched opinions on incest and the role "forbidden romances" play in society.

[(Anonymous)]

Parent and child is an absolute no for me. But I will read sibling cest until the cows come home.

Why? It's hot but idk why lol. It's forbidden I guess and the emotional fallout is deeply cathartic for me but I have no idea why. I have trauma history but it's nothing to do with incest.

[(Anonymous)]

familiarity breeds consent