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⌈ Secret Post #5872 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Take the cynicism of the sequels out of its shiny summer blockbuster clothes and wrap it in Frank Miller's Batman.

[(Anonymous)]

How are the sequels cynical?

I mean I guess you could call them a cynical cash grab by Disney, but that's not a comment on the tone of the movies themselves. I really don't think any of them are cynical. TLJ specifically definitely is not cynical.

[(Anonymous)]

Now I know you're trolling. TLJ? The "trying to make things better will only make things worse and cause everyone to suffer" installment? lol

[(Anonymous)]

The movie could not go further out of its way to say that the most important ultimate values are love and perseverance in fighting for change and that hope never perishes. It wears its heart right on its sleeve.

You don't have to like the movie but like, come on.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh huh. What good did the heroes of the series actually achieve in that movie? Whose lives did they save? Hell, whose lives did they improve?

No one's. Nothing they did made any positive difference, and several things they did made things worse and/or killed people on their own side. Finn learned a valuable lesson about how his choice not to die for a cause that he didn't believe in was an illusion because the "good guys" will also physically harm him unless he's willing to die for them.
Finn and Rose temporarily freed some space ponies, but only temporarily and most likely at the expense of a bunch of slave children who were probably beaten for letting the space ponies get out. Rey accomplished jack shit. Poe actively made things worse for everyone.

Love and perseverance in fighting gets people you care about killed and accomplishes nothing. Heroes are just losers who haven't sold you out yet. Trust is for suckers, and the most we can hope for are meaningless gestures that realistically lead to a bunch of little kids getting beaten to death in the morning.

You can like the movie if you want to, but come on.

[(Anonymous)]

this sounds more like your worldview than what the movie was trying to tell us.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, so you got a version where Poe trying to fix things didn’t directly cause a bunch of deaths? Or where they tried to save the kids instead of fucking around with the livestock? Or where, when Finn wanted to leave, Rose gave him the choice that he’d been denied his entire life instead of assaulting him so he’d stay and die for their cause? Or literally any long term change for the better was made to any character or situation?

That’s cool. I wish that’s the version that was playing in theaters around here. The version the rest of us got kind of sucked.

[(Anonymous)]

A, it's the second movie in the trilogy, and structurally the one that has to end in the darkest place

B, despite this fact, the movie still goes out of its way to demonstrate where it's values lie, in all of the major storylines

C, it's very weird analysis to look at the material outcomes of the action alone, and not at the tone of the movie or what it says about the things that are happening. When we're talking about the ethos of the movie, you can't just reduce that down to "does it have a happy ending or not". The thematic point of the movie is about strength and love and perseverance even through adversity. Reducing that down to a simple calculus of whether the movie lets the characters win when they do good things is an insanely simplistic perspective.

[(Anonymous)]

DA - This is a good comment and you should feel good.

[(Anonymous)]

DDA

+10000000000000

[(Anonymous)]

IMO you are correct. AYRT is making me pull the o_O face. Just wanted to corroborate.