[ SECRET POST #5872 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5872 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I would say on top of this, grimdark is defined by (a) over-the-top grim darkness aesthetically and (b) the grim darkness is forever and is the baseline to which the universe must always return no matter what happens; ultimately improvement is impossible

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this. The underlying tenet of grimdark things is that no matter what the characters do, it won't change anything in the end. Everything is hopeless and pointless and the story is basically just a temporary struggle against the inevitable.

[(Anonymous)]

Which is not what Andor was about, even if there was grimness in the universe.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. People conflate "bad things happen" with "grimdark" when they're not the same thing. You can have something with an ending where all of the main characters die (like, say, Rogue One) that still isn't grimdark because the overall tone is hopeful.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a very good definition! Thank you for adding this.