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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-02-03 05:43 pm

[ SECRET POST #5873 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5873 ⌋

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05. [WARNING for discussion of antisemitism]




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(Anonymous) 2023-02-04 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Even if you don't catch the antisemitic tropes JKR uses (and it's actually great that a lot of people haven't encountered them enough to ping these days) JKR portrays them as a group of beings who are socially and legally oppressed and this is good and just (unlike other groups where it's not.) So it's still fucked up.

Pratchett portrays them as a group of beings who are socially and legally oppressed and this is bad and needs fixed, but also complicated.

(Anonymous) 2023-02-04 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
There are many references in the books to Goblin uprisings and the wizarding world isn't exactly known for treating magical creatures well. Maybe if they weren't KIDS books AIMED at KIDS there could have been more on the political side of things but you could do a perfect class aimed at 11yrs old where you discuss these issues. Introduce the topic of slavery using House Elves, oppression using Goblins...because you know...KIDS BOOKs.

(Anonymous) 2023-02-04 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
SPEW

Hermione and the House Elves where "Slavery is okay if they want it" is an actual lesson

Kids don't need to be fed this tripe, you ignorant JKR clit-sucker

(Anonymous) 2023-02-04 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow.

We're supposed to be as horrified as Hermione about the House Elves. The closest thing we have in British folklore is a Brownie. So we have a magical creature that is similar to a Brownie, but one that has been exploited and manipulated for potentially thousands of years.

Brownies exist to help, House Elves are probably similar in that their meaning and existence are about helping. Then you get people who come along and take complete advantage of that so you get a messed up House Elf who somehow sees freedom as not natural to their existence.

(Anonymous) 2023-02-04 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
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(Anonymous) 2023-02-04 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, and all the references in the book to goblin uprisings are treated, notably, as "thank goodness we were able to crush them". So they're treated badly enough to be motivated to violently rebel but that just means they deserve being oppressed more? Not the usual message in a kids' book these days!

You could absolutely do a great class on those things based on HP, but that says nothing about whether the original is trying to teach the lessons you get out of the class.

(Anonymous) 2023-02-04 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT

The National History Museum in London did a great exhibit using Fantastic Beasts & Where to Find Them to introduce ideas about camouflage, how animals attracted a mate, strange creatures sailors saw, and what they probably were.

I think Harry Potter would be a great jumping-off point to talk to kids about racism, slavery, and loads of other topics.