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I’m not part of the fandom, so I don’t really know. A lot of it seems to be hate for Chloe and Lila, who I gather are not the nicest people. But then there’s hate for Alya, and hate for Nino, and hate for Chat Noir, and hate for some teacher character, and it seems like everyone picked different characters to yell about for different reasons. A lot of them like the same characters other people hate, so it’s probably not just a matter of bad characters. (Apart from Chloe, who really is that hated.)

Don't forget the hate for Marinette, the eponymous Ladybug.

(I haven't been in the fandom for ages, because the writing DID get whack, but I can't resist a #JusticeForChloe because goddamn did her potential get nuked by the writing)

oh boy time to infodump -

Chloe is hated because she's a bully with a "cool motive still murder" backstory that the show bait-and-switched people into expecting would lead into a ... "redemption arc", but like, in the sense that people who say "this character is too evil and doesn't deserve a redemption arc" think the phrase means. The narrative forgiving her without her really changing, basically. (It doesn't help that Astruc has made comments on Twitter that make it very clear that this is what he thinks the phrase means.) People are either mad that she's a bully or mad at not getting the promised "redemption arc".

The two main characters are hated (usually not by the same people) for their slightly unhinged handling of their feelings for the other one (due to superhero secret identities neither of them ever realizes there's any type of requited love going on) which their hatedoms like to read as entitled stalking.

Lila is hated because - okay, so she lies all the time, and the resulting frustration is supposed to get the audience to sympathize with the main character, who is also losing her mind over everyone buying Lila's lies so easily. But the lies she tells are so dumb and easy for anyone to debunk if they were to literally bother to try at all that the fandom can't get past the "why is everyone so gullible suddenly" aspect. (I felt the same until, of all things, watching roblox_oof.mp3... turns out that even in literal real actual life people can get away for a very long time with just hoping nobody ever bothers to fact-check them.) She's a legitimately enjoyable villain in every other aspect, though.

Ms. Bustier is hated for enabling Chloe and Lila. That's it, it's literally just that. That's clearly not the intended reading of how she addresses the situation, but it's really hard not to see it like that.

Actually, every character gets a degree of hate for how they handle the Lila's-lies subplot. Most of them get hate for believing and/or enabling Lila, Marinette gets hate for being kinda unhinged about it, and Adrien gets hate for telling Marinette to cool it with calling Lila out on literally everything because he thinks she's just gonna lie herself into a hole eventually. (He is probably supposed to be correct about this, but the show has yet to actually bear that out.)

Edited 2023-03-13 23:33 (UTC)

In addition, some of the fandom is up in arms because according to some takes, Lila is the only Latina (literally daughter of a Spanish ambassador) of the kids, and she is being portrayed as pure evil and that's racist and she needs to be treated better.

Nevermind that she is actively collaborating with a terrorist (white, french, wants both the mcguffins for power reasons)

Well thats dumb because Spanish, as in from the country of Spain, isn't Latina. But she is ambiguously brown and it was a choice to make her that way and also evil, so you can't say "but she's evil!" as a get out of jail free card if someone feels the narrative is racist. She could have been white. She's a character.

Lila is Italian. So are several other, not evil, characters, like Marinette's grandmother and that one photographer guy.

Everything I've heard about Chloe is that her redemption arc was coming along decently, but it was written by people other than Astruc, and he jumped in and made them make her evil again because he insisted she was irredeemable despite the writing towards her redemption showing that she didn't have to be.

Goddammit, I hit reply too soon by accident. Anyway, it really doesn't sit well with a lot of people that Chloe's development was backpedaled on because the creator is hellbent on a teenage Mean Girl being born and destined to renain the "evil" forever, and Astruc saying she has no "motive" because "she's not abused, she's just mean" even though it's been shown ON THE SHOW that her mother is verbally/emotionally abusive and he doesn't get to decide she's not just because the person she's doing it to is a bully.

Oh yeah, there were definitely multiple people involved in writing that arc. ... I honestly don't know if that's actually confirmed, but you don't get an arc that swerves like that when it's written by one person with a coherent vision.

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