[ SECRET POST #5918 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5918 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, getting real second hand cringe from this secret. You want people to respect us? Us, the people who are writing graphic fetish porn about YA characters, real life actors and sports people, President Biden, Steve from Blues Clues? And you think it's the people who otherkin fictional characters who are preventing that?

It's okay. We don't have respectable, we can just have fun in our sandpit and welcome all the other weirdos in to join us.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, RPF is probably always going to seem weird to the normies (and to some fandom folks as well), but the rest of it? Nah. Nothing weird about enjoying fiction, and nothing weird about enjoying erotica. I don't really give a shit whether people are judgmental about fandom or not, but people aren't judgmental about fandom because fandom is objectively weird; they're judgmental about fandom because fandom is subversive, and its subversiveness feels weird to them, and they haven't bothered to give it any thought beyond that.

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NAYRT

Sincere question here, but how would people view fandom as subversive? I.e. people outside of fandom.

Like okay, it's a space where people who often are marginalized in some shape or form tend to build space for themselves, but is that it? Because there's plenty of IRL groups that are subversive but not considered weird. So I'm just kind of curious about your statement. I say this as someone who joined fandom as a kid because I didn't see people like myself in the media I consumed and made it myself/found others who did. I never really found it subversive, personally. I think the only way I would see it that way is if it lead me or others to create originalefia featuring characters based on ourselves, and then we kind of enter the question of art being political, even if that's not what you're trying to do. Again, asking this question sincerely, not trolling or sarcasm/,trying to pick a fight. Just want to see and maybe come to understand a different perspective. Thanks!

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, the fact that fandom is predominantly non-cishet men, and it caters heavily, unapologetically, and unconservatively to the desires of people who are non-cishet men is more than enough to make fandom pretty definitively subversive in and of itself. The fact that it largely rejects the pursuit of financial gain as a core driving force behind content production is also enough to make fandom subversive in and of itself.

Like, you asked a valid question, and I'm not trying to be snarky, but honestly fandom is so thoroughly subversive from top to bottom that not recognizing it as such kind of feels like missing the forest for the trees.

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AYRT

No snark taken. Thanks for your answer. I figured that might have been what you meant. I suppose it was more of a me not recognizing it as subversive because I am there and don't consider myself a subversive actor -- not recognizing that you're part of the soup while you're in the pot. Basically what you're saying lol. I also tend to associate subversion with political action and art more than this space. But thank you for the clarification!

[(Anonymous)]

"Normal" people don't think enjoying erotica is weird, but they do think enjoying erotica about established characters from non-erotic works is weird. Porn movie starring porn stars as original characters = fine and normal. Kinky written porn on the internet starring characters from your favorite TV show that you watch with your family = ewwww, what's wrong with you people?!

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe, but that's on them; that's their irrational take. So what?

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AYRT

What's your point? You can tell yourself you're more interesting because your Wario/Sauron cuckolding fic is subversive (what you're subverting I have no idea) but that doesn't change the fact that most people outside fandom will think it's weird (as will a lot inside fandom). And, more to my point, picking on the fiction otherkin because you think they're the reason other people think you're weird is both jerky and delusional.

[(Anonymous)]

Some people come in with a knee-jerk "but what about my reputation?" flinch reaction, I think. To be fair, there's a minority in fandom that doesn't seem to ever lose that impulse, instead chasing after stuff like this and trying to browbeat the obvious outliers.

Ironically enough, anxiety-driven busybodies who try to control other people are the ones I try to have the least to do with, in fandom. And really, the only group I tend to think poorly of.