[ SECRET POST #5919 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5919 ⌋

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Comments

[kaishi]

Yeah... cause we definitely can't trust the Elgin Marbles to those heathens over in that (checks notes) European country, Greece.

[(Anonymous)]

At the time of the Elgin Marbles' removal, however, Greece was under rule of the Ottoman Empire. It's possible the later War of Greek Independence might've threatened their preservation. I'm not saying this justifies their removal, mind you. Only that at the time, Greece wasn't as stable as it is today. I personally believe that the UK should give them back.

[(Anonymous)]

Within the last ten years Greece had an economic collapse so bad they came within a hairs breadth of yet another violent revolution. Not to mention they are an earthquake hotspot. They aren't stable or safe just yet.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I thought I'd be polite and not mention that, but at least those aren't an ongoing war of independence?

[(Anonymous)]

whereas the uk is, of course, a global icon of good governance and political stability

[(Anonymous)]

Tbh, yes it has been for most of the last century.

[(Anonymous)]

Britain has its fair share of problems, mostly self inflicted too, but being constantly on the verge of bloodsoaked revolution isn't one of them. In fact I'd say going too long without a peasants' uprising is more the problem in the UK. A thousand years of breeding for forelock tugging amongst the masses has left its population far too servile and submissive. Greece, by counterpoint, last had a revolution and mass destruction within my own lifetime. It hasn't even gone a half century without one, and only missed out on one in the economic collapse by a minor miracle.

And imagine if stuff had been returned to the stable Persia or Iraq in the seventies? Or Egypt and North Africa pre-the Arab Spring. Those artifacts would be gone now, my friends. Or worse, pre-Soviet Invasion Afghanistan when it was being Westernized. I'm sorry, but the case for the BM being a net positive force in terms of conservation of historical objects, even if it feels yucky, is quite solid.

[(Anonymous)]

That is true. Britain is more of a “foment bloody revolution in other countries that have the resources that we want” kind of place.

[kaishi]

I think many of y'all are missing the point. These items were STOLEN. Should we forgive the person who invaded someone's house and stole all their jewelry and refuses to give it back because later the house burned down (maybe on account of what the thief did while there) and therefore the owner isn't a good custodian of the jewels?

No. Changing those jewels to Benin Bronzes doesn't suddenly change the fact that it was stolen and needs to be returned.

[(Anonymous)]

History belongs to all of humanity. If humanity's history is going to be destroyed, then I'll back anyone who saves it. Go blow up a Buddha in Afghanistan if you believe anything different.

[(Anonymous)]

Many places outside of Afghanistan are not Afghanistan

[kaishi]

Oh hey, dude who stole the stuff before the fire (that you may or may not have caused). We really like the stuff you stole, you can totally keep it since we like it. The people you stole it from, who made it and for whom it has great sentimental value, can go fuck themselves.

Also, does that mean you think we should be going into places that you personally deem unstable and steal all the things from their museums for "safe keeping"? If not, then why is it okay just because it happened a while ago?

[(Anonymous)]

I didn’t have a strong opinion on returning the Parthenon Marbles until I saw the disdain they are displayed with in person. They’re displayed out of context, at an inappropriate viewing angle, with patronizing placards about how they were salvaged from the savages (not verbatim but that’s the vibe).

Give it back. They have value and the removal was theft. If it gets destroyed, it gets destroyed - it’s theirs to destroy and the only reason people care is because it’s white/western “”””cultural heritage””””.