[ SECRET POST #5934 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5934 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[fscom]

05. https://i.imgur.com/ilUjvmb.png

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that Middle Earth has tomatoes has nothing to do with why I hate that scene lol

[(Anonymous)]

handshake emoji. Can't imagine being hungry for ANYTHING while watching that, it's SO off-putting.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't think people were bothered by Middle-earth having tomatoes. It was just gross to watch him in particular eating them. But once I got past that, the symbolism of it was interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

What's the symbolism?

[tabaqui]

He was eating these red fruits/foods, chewing and tearing and the pulp was like blood. This was intercut with images of his son and other soldiers being massacred.

To me, it meant he was as bad as the war; he was just another monster destroying lives.

[(Anonymous)]

Which was a terrible interpretation of the character.

[tabaqui]

I have never been able to get all the way through the trilogy; what was the difference between book and movie that made this a bad interpretation?

[philstar22]

In the books, he does show favoritism towards Boromir. But besides that he's not remotely like the movie version.

His main trait in the book is hopelessness. He's got one of the palantirs (those things that look like crystal balls). He was wanting originally to use it for good. But Sauron had gotten ahold of one of the Palantirs and thus was able to use it to show visions to Denethor of everyone dead, of Sauron winning. Denethor never is evil in the books, just completely depressed and has given up.

Really, it is similar to Theoden. In the books, Wormtongue only convinced Theoden that everything is hopeless. He doesn't actually use some kind of magic on him.

Basically, a common theme throughout LOTR is the importance of hope, that even in the midst of war, of the absolute darkest the world can get, there is always hope. And that truly heroic people in the midst of darkness will strive for the good and never give up their belief that there is hope and it is worth fighting for.

[tabaqui]

Very interesting, thanks!
I suppose his movie-character could be seen as an extreme of depression/hopelessness...so very dramatic.

[philstar22]

This. I love the movies, but I hate that they completely lost the nuance of some characters, like Denethor.

[(Anonymous)]

Wasn't it also supposed to be to do with the fact that eating tomatoes off of pewter plates can make you crazy?

(Stolen from Google)
In the late 1700s, many Europeans feared tomatoes, believing that they were poisonous (which obviously is not true). The fact is that many European aristocrats died from eating tomatoes off of pewter plates. These plates were high in lead content and responsible for deaths from lead poisoning.

[tabaqui]

How funky!

[(Anonymous)]

If they've got potatoes they've got tomatoes! Pipe-weed was supposed to be tobacco (though it certainly had other implications in the 1960s!) so they've got that too!

[tabaqui]

It was gross because of the chomping and smacking and squishing of food (bonus gross, they made it look like blood).