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[ SECRET POST #5958 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5958 ⌋

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[Succession, Roman Roy]

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[minecraft youtube?]

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[Green Hell]

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[Lost Ruins]

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[minecraft youtube?]

Sorry but it's hard for me to look at MCYT fandom being weird and not just be like.... well, yeah, of course it's weird, 90% of people in it are like 16 years old, right?

You'd be surprised.

That fanart in the secret is Dream SMP people, and a lot of them were very young when they started and had very young fans - but even the ones who were 16 when Dream SMP started are 19 or 20 now! And I think those people, after they unexpectedly became big names in the pandemic-era fandom explosion, have realized that getting that big at 16 wasn't really that great for them and aren't promoing the really young streamers as much; most of the new names in the last year or two have been at least 20 before they get invites to the events/servers that get you into the big fandoms. And Hermitcraft and Empires and that lot skew a decade at least older in both fans and players and have for awhile.

(That said I feel like 20-year-old fans are younger now than they were when I was in my 20s.)

if you go outside of dsmp, you'll find a lot of older fans and creators. dsmp isn't everything lol. i'm not gonna argue that it's a weird space tho frfr. XD

I'm not in the fandom myself, but plenty of friends I've made through Sanders Sides ended up going in there and most of them are 20years+.

I can't criticize because I'm in the markiplier fandom, but from the drama I've seen in passing posts - its yikes.

I mean, if you're constantly interacting with the content creators, I don't think a level of respect is an unhealthy way to be. Look at how extreme and entitled tinhats get in other fandoms, even very small ones. Honestly, this is the first interesting thing I've read about MCYT fandom.

I do get that it would inhibit creativity, but considering the nature of the fandom and how young those content creators are, I can't really see that as entirely negative.

yeah like, as someone who enjoys the interactions on streams and such, i do get why the fandom is like this, and they're allowed to have boundaries and whatnot, esp in their own spaces, esp if they are still minors, which i know some are.

(obvs this discounts creators requesting particular scenes or types of fanart during streams or videos, that's a different thing entirely.)

that said, i'm coming from the part of the fandom where the creators are all grown adults with families and kids and/or pets and have most of their shit together. they've been doing this long enough to know how to curate their own spaces and not look at tumblr if they don't wanna see things they might not wanna see.

and even then, what i do see a lot of is fans policing other fans IN FAN SPACES (like tumblr) based on assumptions of creators' boundaries, regardless of whether those boundaries have been stated or not, sometimes wrt depictions in art but also about shipping. it just makes it feel like fanworks as a whole are intended to be made for those creators to consume as the primary audience, even if that's not the case, even if they aren't being directly shared with them, and if you step over those boundaries you're Doing It Wrong. and as someone who was in more traditional fandom spaces before this, it's a weird thing to adapt to.

What are these abbreviations?

From what I gather (from your secret and the post above), if there's a larger para social aspect to this fandom, it makes sense there's more of a boundary (I'm just surprised people are respecting it). With most of my fandoms, not all, there's a fair amount of distance between fandom and actual creators/show runners/actors. Not that actors and writers don't get tweeted fic or Fanart or see it at cons, but there's not that close asievtbhou get on YouTube/streamer fandoms. Then again, I haven't been in the later fandoms, so I wouldn't know.

mcyt = Mine Craft You Tube (SMP: survival multiplayer, a shared gameworld where players interact & roleplay with each other. MCC: minecraft championships, a monthly event that brings most of the best-know streamers together to compete live.)

Most of the professional streamers make most of their money through direct interactions with fans; fans tip during streams, and interacting with tippers (and other fans in the chat) is the best way to get more tips, so a lot of them spend several hours a day directly talking with fans during streams. They have to have guidelines about fandom, or else people will be attempting to pay them money to force them to read porn about themselves several times a day. (people still do, but they get banned if it's against the guidelines.)

It's also a fandom that reminds me a lot of my very first fandom, early webcomics in that there's really no brightline separation between fans and creators. Anyone can get a twitch account and start streaming or youtube account and start posting, and a lot of fans do, and a lot of creators encourage their fans to try. The difference between fan and pro is just whether you ever started making enough money to consider quitting your dayjob, there are plenty of non-pro streamers with, like, a couple dozen active fans who have fic on AO3, and nearly all the current pro streamers started out as fans of people they now stream with.

So there's definitely a core of people who think porn is fine even if the streamers don't want to see it, as long as you don't put it in their spaces, but even that's a bit uncomfortable because for a lot of the creators fan spaces are also their spaces, and there's usually not even the minor separation of using different fan names and pro names. One of the biggest streamers' online persona is always in Kakashi-from-Naruto cosplay because that's the skin he used before he got big and then it was too late to change.

AYRT

Thanks for taking the time to explain this! It's really a different beast from traditional media then, the reality that anyone of us can in fact start streaming or making YT vids, and grow from there. I guess the same applies for webcomics and smaller fandoms. Really, anything you create and share that gains a certain level of interest, engagement and popularity.

The last bit is yikes! Especially considering that everyone there is in the same fandom spaces. That demarcation for me is kinda necessary (ime). I think having para social relationships would also keep me, personally, from writing fic (much less smut) about a real life person/persona. I can definitely see the issues.

Yeah, I actually got into it via the fic, not via the streams, and figured all this stuff out after I was already invested. But I mostly stay out of the interactive parasocial aspects - I watch videos and don't interact with creators except sometimes silently dropping money in a Patreon- and I am also much more constrained about what fanworks I will make than other fandoms; in theory I agree it's fine to write whatever as long as you don't shove it in creators' faces but that doesn't mean I'm not a bit squicked by doing it myself. And it's definitely ok to write fic for the creators who have said anything is fine, but it's a bit of a catch-22, because in order to keep track of who has said what you have to be way deeper in the parasocial part than I want to be for people I read porn about.

like i said, i get why it's like this bc of all the parasocial stuff and all the interactions between creators and fans - which I definitely enjoy myself! - but as someone who ended up here from more traditional fandoms (and rpf fandoms as well), it's still something of a culture shock lol.

also how much those boundaries are respected definitely depends on where you are in mcytland, it's not a universal thing. it's just more common in the places where i hang out and write stuff. and i'm more talking about fan spaces like tumblr and twitter and fan discords, not actual creator spaces.

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