[ SECRET POST #5958 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5958 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Succession, Roman Roy]



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[minecraft youtube?]



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[Green Hell]



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[Lost Ruins]
























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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

What are these abbreviations?

From what I gather (from your secret and the post above), if there's a larger para social aspect to this fandom, it makes sense there's more of a boundary (I'm just surprised people are respecting it). With most of my fandoms, not all, there's a fair amount of distance between fandom and actual creators/show runners/actors. Not that actors and writers don't get tweeted fic or Fanart or see it at cons, but there's not that close asievtbhou get on YouTube/streamer fandoms. Then again, I haven't been in the later fandoms, so I wouldn't know.

[(Anonymous)]

mcyt = Mine Craft You Tube (SMP: survival multiplayer, a shared gameworld where players interact & roleplay with each other. MCC: minecraft championships, a monthly event that brings most of the best-know streamers together to compete live.)

Most of the professional streamers make most of their money through direct interactions with fans; fans tip during streams, and interacting with tippers (and other fans in the chat) is the best way to get more tips, so a lot of them spend several hours a day directly talking with fans during streams. They have to have guidelines about fandom, or else people will be attempting to pay them money to force them to read porn about themselves several times a day. (people still do, but they get banned if it's against the guidelines.)

It's also a fandom that reminds me a lot of my very first fandom, early webcomics in that there's really no brightline separation between fans and creators. Anyone can get a twitch account and start streaming or youtube account and start posting, and a lot of fans do, and a lot of creators encourage their fans to try. The difference between fan and pro is just whether you ever started making enough money to consider quitting your dayjob, there are plenty of non-pro streamers with, like, a couple dozen active fans who have fic on AO3, and nearly all the current pro streamers started out as fans of people they now stream with.

So there's definitely a core of people who think porn is fine even if the streamers don't want to see it, as long as you don't put it in their spaces, but even that's a bit uncomfortable because for a lot of the creators fan spaces are also their spaces, and there's usually not even the minor separation of using different fan names and pro names. One of the biggest streamers' online persona is always in Kakashi-from-Naruto cosplay because that's the skin he used before he got big and then it was too late to change.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Thanks for taking the time to explain this! It's really a different beast from traditional media then, the reality that anyone of us can in fact start streaming or making YT vids, and grow from there. I guess the same applies for webcomics and smaller fandoms. Really, anything you create and share that gains a certain level of interest, engagement and popularity.

The last bit is yikes! Especially considering that everyone there is in the same fandom spaces. That demarcation for me is kinda necessary (ime). I think having para social relationships would also keep me, personally, from writing fic (much less smut) about a real life person/persona. I can definitely see the issues.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I actually got into it via the fic, not via the streams, and figured all this stuff out after I was already invested. But I mostly stay out of the interactive parasocial aspects - I watch videos and don't interact with creators except sometimes silently dropping money in a Patreon- and I am also much more constrained about what fanworks I will make than other fandoms; in theory I agree it's fine to write whatever as long as you don't shove it in creators' faces but that doesn't mean I'm not a bit squicked by doing it myself. And it's definitely ok to write fic for the creators who have said anything is fine, but it's a bit of a catch-22, because in order to keep track of who has said what you have to be way deeper in the parasocial part than I want to be for people I read porn about.

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[(Anonymous)]

like i said, i get why it's like this bc of all the parasocial stuff and all the interactions between creators and fans - which I definitely enjoy myself! - but as someone who ended up here from more traditional fandoms (and rpf fandoms as well), it's still something of a culture shock lol.

also how much those boundaries are respected definitely depends on where you are in mcytland, it's not a universal thing. it's just more common in the places where i hang out and write stuff. and i'm more talking about fan spaces like tumblr and twitter and fan discords, not actual creator spaces.