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Young me was enthralled with the world depicted in His Dark Materials, until suddenly at the end of the Amber Spyglass it was a romance and I clocked the fuck out. It actually ruined the whole thing for me. And then it constantly getting praise/recs and visual adaptations over the years made me feel like I was broken for not "getting it" so I gained more reasons to hate it. I should probably reread them now that I understand that I'm autistic AND aroace and probably missed a lot of contextual hints, but I have so many better things I could be doing with my time than reading something I already know ends in a heteronormative romance.

Considering Lyra was prophesized to be Eve 2.0 in the second book (and hinted at it since the first), I don't think the romance was out of nowhere or out of place.

I think people who aren't sorta surrounded by catholicism miss it because the biblical stuff is a big hint about where the narrative is leading, and it only gets more biblical as it goes along.

Yeah, Pullman’s “take that” to C.S. Lewis somehow managed to be both more heavy-handed and less feminist than a bunch of religious allegory fairytales written in the ‘50s. It’s a neat trick.

I can agree that it’s less feminist, or at least just as un-feminist as contemporary works at the time. Don’t agree at all that it’s more heavy-handed than Narnia or most religious allegory fairytales, especially ones from the 50s.

There are multiple chapters of Pullman that are literal “file off the serial numbers” Apocrypha fanfic.

Sure, but that’s not automatically MORE heavy-handed than religious allegory fairytales of the time, it’s AS heavy-handed at most. That’s what I meant, not that it isn’t heavy-handed at all.

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And all that is also just my opinion, not me trying to speak objectively.

It’s kinda funny how biblical it gets considering how many Christian groups call the series atheist propaganda just because Philip Pullman is an atheist lol.

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Apparently some think it gets biblical because Pullman wanted to show how stupid Christianity was, that it being biblical was part of it’s supposed atheist propaganda? I’ve read the books several times, and I just don’t see it that way.

Me neither, and I got put off of it even though it used to be my favorite series when all my atheist friends online insisted it was atheist propaganda (which they hated because they said it made all atheists look intolerant, when they themselves respected Christians' beliefs) and essentially patted me on the head and called me an idiot for saying I never read it that way. After that I never wanted to read the books again because I'd get frustrated looking for something I couldn't see and feeling like they were right, I must be an idiot.

I mean, that was Pullman’s intent per Pullman, but that doesn’t mean he was effective at it.

it's definitely anti-Catholic Church but that's just Pullman being right.

I totally missed all the Biblical stuff until the very end. And then when I was venting to my mother about it she was like "um yeah, the whole series is super biblical." She was raised going to Sunday school etc, my parents raised us with zero religion so I really only know the cultural osmosis stuff and it's never really the first thing I see.

For full clarity I was raised by a Jewish mother (and my dad's a private guy who never really brought up what he was raised as, but he's always seemed pretty agnostic to me) who never wanted to pressure me or my sibling into religion so my knowledge of any non-Jewish religion was entirely via cultural osmosis (so basically just Christmas nativity plays). I never read Narnia either. And like I said, autistic, so I took things at face value.

Incidentally, the Bible is also on my "should probably read eventually but I have better things to do with my time right now" list. Religious texts seem so tedious...

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