[ SECRET POST #5968 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5968 ⌋

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[Shadow and Bone]



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[Soul Sacrifice]



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[Spy x Family]



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[(Anonymous)]

The whole endeavor of rationalist fics seems... not amazing, to me

[(Anonymous)]

Commenting in the hopes that someone will explain what rationalist fics are without me having to google.

[(Anonymous)]

A quick google through tvtropes tells me its a fic less about character issues, and more with trying to solve stuff. It doesn't so much follow rules of drama compared to problems both reader and character have to follow logically. Seems to be a genre in which characters follow things logically.

I think an example would be a Revenge of the Sith AU where Anakin doesn't let his impulsive nature save and follow Palpatine, the Jedi discover he's Darth Sidius, but act slowly and methodically in order to undo him, with their enemy doing the same at every turn, thus requiring you to analyze stuff.

I'm... half and half. I love to over-think stuff, but not just about the world and actions taken, but because I also like characters being human. One thing is having them all follow their impulses of the barest moment and fucking things up over and over; but another is letting go of the passion of a story and motives, to the point you treat it more as a puzzle.

The ur example is Harry Potter And The Methods Of Rationality

[(Anonymous)]

Imagine Harry Potter as a child raised in a very scientific household who measures everything via making test cases and seeing what happens. The first half of the story is him trying to find the logical rules underpinning magic. It then moves into a story where everyone is doing plots and counterplots and countercounterplots against each other, trying to figure out their moves based on what information they have.

[(Anonymous)]

The idea is that the worldbuilding and characterisation is examined by one or more characters starting from the canon starting point and, instead of behaving as they do in canon, examine their situation rationally. Sometimes this can be briefly interesting, but it almost always relies on the other characters never having thought of these "rational" solutions in the first place when that's not the rules that canon runs on. So I find them very frustrating, but I would be interested in one that doesn't come off like the writer showing that they are the only intelligent person in a world full of sheeple.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

The other thing about this is that Rationalist fics, even ones not written by Eliezer Yudkowsky, tend to end up talking about the same sorts of things that inspire Eliezer Yudkowsky's Rationalist nonfiction. For reference, Yudkowsky thinks the U.S. should bomb other countries if they carry out A.I. research, because A.I. research will result in the extinction of humanity. I once read what I thought was going to be a cute Frozen shipfic, and it turned out the author was using Olaf as a metaphor for evil A.I. I wish I was fucking kidding!

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

What about American AI research? Who bombs the bombers??

[(Anonymous)]

Love ratfic, like I'll concede it can get smug and I don't fuck with the Rationalist AI apocalypticism shit, but they're right about the utilitarianism and transhumanism and as an autist it is indescribably refreshing to read about characters who act reasonably. So like. This readable without too much knowledge of Overwatch?

[(Anonymous)]

They are annoying as hell about utilitarianism and transhumanism just as much as they are about everything else

SA

[(Anonymous)]

also they're mostly racists

OP

[(Anonymous)]

"Mostly" is a stretch. They're unusually likely to try to reason with racists, even when it's blatantly obvious the racists aren't going to listen, but they still tend to ban racists from the core websites. The racists end up clustering in their own little splinter communities.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

That's certainly true of some of them. But many of them are just racist, or racism-curious, and their tolerance of racists is at least in part a reflection of that and not of a principled intellectual commitment to open debate.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Probably. I don't play the game, but I come into it having read some TV Tropes entries about the characters.

[(Anonymous)]

"reasonably" aka like a computer and without emotion, as is how I tend to see these things go down.

Which makes me think you're not autistic, but a person pretending to be a caricature.

[(Anonymous)]

da but that's an incredibly rude, fucked up, shitty and wrong thing to say