[ SECRET POST #5971 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5971 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Bah Humbug internets

[(Anonymous)]

Approved of AI how?

Re: Bah Humbug internets

[(Anonymous)]

I'm still looking for the interview, but here's the statement responding to the opinion:
https://www.transformativeworks.org/update-to-otw-signal-may-2023/

Re: Bah Humbug internets

[(Anonymous)]

found it:
https://www.arl.org/blog/applying-intellectual-property-law-to-ai-an-interview-with-betsy-rosenblatt/

to quote some:
"Betsy: One of the things that excites me—which is probably a bit off to the side of what most people are talking about with AI and copyright—is that AIs are reading fan fiction now. For a long time, machine learning relied almost exclusively on data sources that were known to be in the copyright public domain, such as works published prior to 1927 and public records. The result of that was that machines were often learning archaic ideas—learning to associate certain professions with certain races and genders, for example. Now, machine learning is turning to broader sources from across the internet, including fan works. That means that machines will learn how to describe and express a much more contemporary, broad, inclusive, and diverse set of ideas.

I’m also intrigued by some of the expressive possibilities that AI may create. Will DALL·E or ChatGPT become characters in fan fiction? Surely they will. I want to read the fan-created stories where DALL·E and ChatGPT fall in love with each other (or don’t), get into arguments (or don’t), buy a house together (or don’t), team up to solve (or perpetrate!) crimes….

As for what keeps me up at night, I remain mostly optimistic. I think it would be a very sad turn of events if some of the newly begun litigation about data crawling and scraping ended up preventing machines from building contemporary, inclusive, broad-based data pools to draw on. I think it would be very sad if people turned to AI-created works instead of finding, exploring, and making fan works of their own. But I don’t think either of those things is very likely to happen. Fans make fan works because they love doing it. They feel compelled to tell the stories they imagine, and they want to share those with communities of other fans. They use fan work creation to build skills and find their own voices. I don’t think that the emergence of new technologies will stop them from doing that."

Re: Bah Humbug internets

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand what people are upset about??

Re: Bah Humbug internets

[(Anonymous)]

People don't want their fic used for training AI

Re: Bah Humbug internets

[(Anonymous)]

See also: monetizing fanfic. People do want that, so they want to be paid for AI scraping.

Re: Bah Humbug internets

[(Anonymous)]

People are also mad because Ao3 is against monetising fanfic. You have anything that suggests you are making money from your fic (kofi links, paetron ect) it's removed.

Yet, Ao3 seems fine with AI companies making money from people's fics. So people are mad at the double standards.

Re: Bah Humbug internets

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a double standard. It's a question of what is possible. AO3 cannot stop people (or algorithms, which is what "AI" is) from trawling the site for whatever purpose without making the site completely private, which is antithetical to the idea of having a public archive. AO3 CAN stop people who are using the site as a contributor from trying to make money from an explicitly non-monetized site (and who also put the entire purpose of the site into legal jeopardy).

There are no terms of service for READING the site. There are for posting on it. The two are not the same.

Re: Bah Humbug internets

[(Anonymous)]

God, this. Thank you for saying it so clearly so my tired ass didn't have to try to explain, and probably not do as good a job of it.

Re: Bah Humbug internets

[(Anonymous)]

That doesn't seem like that big of a deal?

Man people are always so quick lately to get pissed off at AO3.

I also think it's really really funny that fans are so protective of their work, while their work is literally taking other peoples work and running with it.

Re: Bah Humbug internets

[(Anonymous)]

THIS!!

Re: Bah Humbug internets

[(Anonymous)]

I think it was deleted but as I understand it broadly it was, we think AI is good, we don't want more regulations on it, we think the idea of training corpuses with fanfic is cool, and who knows maybe there will be people shipping the different AIs.

And the thing is there is legitimate legal ambiguity here (because even if you think AI is bad, tightening regulations on AI could potentially make the copyright status of fanfic and transformative work trickier) but the interview really didn't frame it that way.