[ SECRET POST #5989 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5989 ⌋

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[fscom]

05. https://i.imgur.com/EN3JNZz.png

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, some of them are uncomfortably racist and/or gleeful

[feotakahari]

I don’t know how to explain this without lowering everyone’s IQ just from proximity, but the kind of person who posts “we wuz kings” to make fun of stuff like black Cleopatra is also the kind of person who posts “dindo nuffin” to make fun of black people who’re wrongfully arrested, and is maybe three steps removed from the kind of person who posts cutesy pictures of a girl representing winter in the hopes of casting “meme magic” to make European winters colder so immigrants will freeze to death. (Know Your Meme is a dark and scary place, man.)

[(Anonymous)]

Ow.

That hits close to home. My grandmother was left on a doorstep during rainy weather in Europe.

She obviously lucked out, getting adopted and all, but still...

Youch.

[(Anonymous)]

That's okay, I find the historical revisionism by a strain of weird black American afrocentrists icky as well.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 And the keyword here is American. Go and portray George Washington as a Black man and leave the rest of the world alone.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean they very much did cast a Black man as George Washington

[(Anonymous)]

She wasn't black. It's fine that they want people to be accurate. But harping on it makes me go "Huh. You really really need to make sure everyone is very very clear that Cleopatra absolutely could not be and was not black I AM INVESTED IN THIS" is... IDK, it's uncomfortable.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean the problem to me is that it's not just a historical inaccuracy - I don't think historical accuracy matters all that much and I am fine with racebent casting in general even for a lot of historical figures.

It's the fact that it's a specific pseudohistorical narrative that bothers me. My issue is that I don't want to promote those kinds of revisionist ideological misreadings of history. If some racists who complain about anything where a character is black complain about this too, there's nothing I can do about that.

[(Anonymous)]

You definitely sound like you care a normal amount about this.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you care this much about other, more widely known and accepted as "true", revisionist accounts of history?

Maybe you do, but the "I care about historical accuracy" reasoning from most people sounds a lot like "Gamergate was about ethics in journalism" the way they frame it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. Yeeeeeah. Especially because the folks having a fit about the accuracy aren't complaining about the costumes, or the styling, or really ... anything else. HMMM.

[(Anonymous)]

... there's a pretty big difference between changing the race of an actual historical person and having costumes that aren't 100% accurate to the time period.

Also, as someone who knows an actual movie/TV costume designer, a lot of times stuff like that is done for budget reasons or for ease of making the costumes/having the actors be able to move around in the costumes.

[(Anonymous)]

You have a point, but I think it's also a heck of a lot easier for the average person to tell the difference between two races than it is to figure out which costumes are historically accurate or not. The latter is pretty esoteric knowledge, the former is fairly obvious to the naked eye.

[(Anonymous)]

Most depictions of Cleopatra have been, uh, tailored in some way. It's a tacky tradition to continue, but that's really as far as I care.

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ELIZABETH Tailored. *badum tshhhh*

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, and it's not like the people getting hyped up about this would consider a mostly-Macedonian probably partly-Persian woman the pinnacle of "whiteness" anyway.

Also, it's not very good but the actress playing Cleopatra is in fact very good and elevates the whole thing.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I would have been 100% fine with them casting a Greek or Iranian actress for the role because that would have been a lot more accurate.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel you-- like, it's not historically accurate... but a lot of things aren't historically accurate? I don't see how it's super different from Bridgerton casting a black queen, as a casting decision. And I wish they had just said it was colorblind casting and sidestepped the whole argument of 'well she was REALLY Greek', but of course that wouldn't stop racists from complaining...

[(Anonymous)]

It's different because only one of those things is a revisionist pseudo historical theory that actually exists

[(Anonymous)]

Bridgerton flat-out said it was a reimagining of the era it depicted, though. It wasn't trying to be historically accurate and didn't claim to be.

[(Anonymous)]

Bridgerton didn't say it was a documentary.

[(Anonymous)]

Man, Bridgerton isn't documentary, it's a fantasy show. This one calls itself documentary and has uncomfortable history of revisionism. Also they seem to twist not only race but a lot of Cleopatra's history to fit narrative. Egyptians are right to be mad.

AND I think that a lot of critics are racist shit still.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I hate when something I don't care for or have little interest/investment in, and the talks around it carry a level toxicity that is harmful. And then I feel this need to stand up and defend the thing even though I'm not a fan.
It's difficult for me to know when to push for nuance in situations like Netflix's "Cleopatra" because I'm not Black. American and POC but I understand it's not in my place to speak over Black voices.

[(Anonymous)]

It absolutely is the actual Egyptians place to talk over Black American voices tough. The problem is, Americans never listen.