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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-06-12 06:12 pm

[ SECRET POST #6002 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6002 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2023-06-12 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Oof, that fandom's not alone. I HATE when I'm reading fic set in any historical period and I can tell the author is like... checking off a list of Correct Things To Say and it feels SO out of place and out of character. Like, even characters who would have the right *opinions* would use radically different language to express that, or would have incomplete language for some concepts!

(Anonymous) 2023-06-12 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed. It's not like progressive opinions on social issues were nonexistent, but people approached it differently, with different language. I get a little impatient with writers who don't at least TRY to make that fit in with the historical context a little. It's more of a challenge, but not impossible.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-13 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah! Like, I don't WANT to look for fics where everyone is "realistically" bigoted, I want fics where progressive opinions are there but the language is period accurate! Like, particularly with being gay not being an IDENTITY but a behavior, for most people, and like, all the ways that were emerging of talking about BEING homosexual rather than just having sex with men (or women, depending), how new it was to define yourself based not on your current partner, but by the pattern of your desires, how revolutionary it might feel to center desire at all when you're expected to marry and have children and it's not ABOUT wanting! There's so much that's so interesting about the evolving ways that we understood and discussed queerness in that time, and I think stories where everyone talks like the author is trying to provide a lesson on how to use all the right buzzwords do a huge disservice.

My current fandom is more contemporary history than this, so there's *more* language that exists, but it's still so jarring when the dialogue feels unnatural because the author drops in a whole, like... speech about current terminology and understanding a huge *breadth* of queer experiences, into the mouth of a character who has NO access to a broader queer community.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-13 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
Ugh, same. If I'm reading period fiction then I want the characters' attitudes towards things to actually reflect that period, you know?

If I wanted happy sunshine world where everything is great and no discrimination exists, there are plenty of fantasy settings where that can be a thing! Nothing is stopping writers from writing fictional worlds based on historical periods where none of those things exist.