[ SECRET POST #6002 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6002 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 31 secrets from Secret Submission Post #858.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

Every time someone complains about a 'childish' Female Lead, I think of Luke Skywalker playing zoom zoom with his little spaceship toy.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

Is that not actually the point of that? To show how young he is? I mean, isn't that along with the following 'It's just not fair!', lament of teenagers everywhere, an indicator of his immaturity/innocence. He's a pretty sheltered 19-year-old at that point.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I mean yeah. (I was trying to keep the secret short and snappy.)

Protagonists often are young, immature, distracted, or incomplete in some way - part of the story is how they grow.

But somehow it's always female characters that get flack for that.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Ah, I gotcha. It doesn't have anything to do with the validity of the claim, rather that female leads get a disproportionate amount of derision for it when compared to male leads with similar characteristics.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

If you're talking about female leads of cdramas, then those are quite different scenarios and contexts. Unless my memory fails me and Luke Skywalker spends most of the movie playing zoom zoom and speaking in a curiously high pitched baby voice.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

He is *extremely* whiny throughout *two* movies, to be precise.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT
Luke playing with toys is about him as a character. Same with being whiny.

The callout on cdramas having infantalized female leads/characters with baby'ed voices, a childlike wonder and charm...plays into Asian stereotypes/expectations of the docile, small, delicate doll of a woman child in order to be the perfect wife.
The specifics and pressures are different from region/nation to region/nation, but they are still very much a thing in China.

The stereotyping feeds into other cultures fetishizing Asian women (specifically Western culture) and girls. "It's just their culture." (Words that make my skin crawl)

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT
Exactly!
There are childish characters. There is misogyny towards female characters who happen to be childish.
And also there is history of infantalizing female characters because of wider problems that should be criticized.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

There's childish in the sense of hobbies and toys (a lot of non-fandom people probably consider all fandom people childish in that regard) and then there's childish in the sense of personality and social skills.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

You are seriously describing Luke Skywalker here. Er, what point are you trying to make, exactly?