[ SECRET POST #6018 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6018 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Sometimes girls get married? Sure. Sometimes boys get married. Finding a romantic partner who is into you is a very common plotline. If it's a good story then there's going to be an element of negotiation where both (or more) parties find what they want and need in each other and remain their own selves inside that supportive relationship.

You just. You just seem to have an extremely limited range of things that you actually read/watch, and are trying to say that some tropes are universal. When maybe you should just read more.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Maybe you've been lucky to only see the minority of movies, tv, and books that don't do this to female characters, but I think it more likely that you just haven't noticed it.

References:

https://www.theverdictonline.org/post/the-infantilization-of-women-in-mainstream-media-and-society

https://www.culturereframed.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/CultureReframed-SexualizationOfGirlsReport-2019.pdf

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2158244019881024

[(Anonymous)]

And maybe you should try to read more.

[(Anonymous)]

I read for information and watch for entertainment. If you want to say that reading is inherently a better form of entertainment, and that people who don't read for entertainment are lesser, then I don't want to have a conversation with you anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Sorry, I did phrase that badly.

There is a substantial difference between noticing that there's a bias in how many of X stories can get told, and declaring that All X Is Trash.

And you seem to be skewing to the latter half of the above sentence.

Yeah, I think this conversation is better ended here.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

If the same type of story is told over and over, people are going to get sick of it. That doesn't mean they're all trash, but it's very reasonable to just not want more of the same after a while, and there is also something to be said of it being endemic of mainstream media's fear of originality. No individual story or writer can be blamed for being part of a larger trend, but at the same time the trend itself can and should be examined.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

So much this.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

De-lurking after reading the first link to thank you for them.

And while that one was mostly about the effects of presenting women as immature, this part felt very relevant to the way Han (particularly) treated Leia in Star Wars.

"The subtle hint when men ‘girlify’ women in high power situations is to put across a very simple message: that they do not belong here and nor is their power/status equal to that of their male peers. [...] Men use the word ‘Girl’ and ‘Princess’ to paint powerful women to be ‘powerless’ and ‘childish’ and we see how this is often aimed at women who are perhaps too ‘outspoken’ or ‘ambitious’ for our society."

Interesting how a character who is often criticized for immaturity (Luke) manages to be completely unthreatened by Leia's assertiveness, while Han is extremely easily offended, insecure, and boastful, and still tends to be read as "more mature." When he doesn't seem mature to me at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, that's an interesting perspective.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, people actually think Han is mature?