[ SECRET POST #6018 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6018 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You can't even keep your arguments straight here. Up above you said Men are made childish to give them character growth into Men (TM) and I pointed out that Luke did not, in fact, grow into a man... he became a Jedi Knight, yes, but he was still childish and immature on many levels.

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AYRT

No one will ever say that a Jedi Knight is not Manly (tm). If he's childish, that's just an approachable man and a loveable rogue. A narrative with a childish woman rarely ever shows her as childish AND competent. When they are, they're usually villains (violent women in lolita style for the titillation of a male audience).

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DA

I think you're bringing a lot of personal bias into how you read characters.

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DA

This seems on target to me. Luke did a lot of growing up in the process of realizing that his "enemy" was telling him the truth, while his mentors had lied to him for their own purposes, and figuring out what the right thing to do was with ultimately no guidance. He's disobedient to a degree that endangered the lives of an entire side of the war - what had been his side - but he commits to negotiating or dying in the process. In a lot of ways, Star Wars was a full throated endorsement of men growing up to be whole human beings: with feelings and vulnerabilities and some ideals that didn't survive life experience, but a whole HELL of a lot more that did. This is childishness being brought forward as an expression of deep humanity, as a direct connection to intuition and imagination and love that doesn't apologize for itself.

And in that, IMO, it's very different from the infantilized, performative "look down on me, but feel affection for me" appeal that's forced on too many female characters.

I have no opinion on whether non-western media is typecasting women into this role, but I've seen a lot more of it than I want to in American canons, and if I never ran into it again, I'm pretty sure I would not miss it one bit.

[(Anonymous)]

This. You get it. Thank you for typing out all that analysis. I did not have the brain power for it last night.