[ SECRET POST #6034 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6034 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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05. [WARNING for discussion of rape/sexual assault]




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[Clockwise: Puella Magi Madoka Magica / Halo 4 / Ninomae Ina'nis / Enya]


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Comments

[fscom]

05. [WARNING for discussion of rape/sexual assault]
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[(Anonymous)]

Did that happen in the show? I expect most fans have only watched the show.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. He was a rapist in the show as well. I think they changed the plot a bit though? I didn't watch the episode.

[queenslayerbee]

It would hardly be the first rapist fandom falls over itself to fawn for...

(hi. the vampire diaries veteran here)

[(Anonymous)]

I’ve read that story many times and cannot figure out why you’re calling him a rapist. In what language did you read the story? I wonder if it translates from Polish to other languages differently based on the target language?
I never saw that episode of the show though so maybe he did do what you claim there.

[(Anonymous)]

"One day the gang robbed a temple in Gelibol and coerced Nivellen into raping the young priestess there. Before killing herself, she spat in his face and cursed him,"

From the wiki. He was the leader of the gang.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah shit that’s right! I was thinking of the daughters left with him. Which is…problematic. But doesn’t make him a rapist based on what we know about how he treated them.

I can see fandom loving him though because he shows true remorse for his past AND embraces the curse.

[(Anonymous)]

"Coerced into raping" yeah so, it's been a long time since I watched the episode but I got the impression that he was coerced as in actually forced to do it. Not just "encouraged." An above and beyond heroic person would still refuse to commit rape and suffer the consequences (which I forget what they were, but my foggy memories are telling me serious bodily harm or death) but I personally wouldn't morally expect that of anyone. I'd put full blame on those who forced someone to rape another person and live the rest of their life feeling like the lowest shit for being a rapist.

[(Anonymous)]

Comment OP who forgot about the temple
I haven’t watched the show so I don’t know how it is in that but in the short story he’s 100% a rapist. They did encourage him and set him up but any unwillingness on his part was due to embarrassment about still being a virgin, his bad looks and really bad skin, and the size of his dick. He wasn’t conflicted about committing the rape, only self conscious about his looks and performance in front of his audience.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think the show went into that much detail about how it happened, but he did feel bad about the rape and had said the other guys didn't treat him well, so the way I saw it, the assumption is left to the viewer that it was forced on him. If that wasn't meant to be the case, maybe the show should have been clearer on that, because the sympathetic fans that OP has beef with probably interpreted it the same way I did.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Damn, that's crazy; I thought he was just raping. To be honest, I really thought he just raped her for the normal (bad, evil) reasons, as an act of pillaging. I thought he was a pathetic and sad character, which his regret only reinforced for me. It was a little uncomfortable for me (which I figured was the idea) but didn't hate the episode because I thought it was funny at the end when Geralt just walked away saying something like, "You can kill yourself if you want. Bye." I thought that was a kind of interesting fatherhood moment because it showed that he considers that type of behavior worthy of ending a friendship over and acting very cold towards someone, but did not kill him for it or anything. I don't know. It was interesting for me to think about what it was like for a sheltered young girl to witness that.

[queenslayerbee]

but I personally wouldn't morally expect that from anyone

I would. I think it's the kind of shit any adult should say not to with a gun to their head even. WTF kind of take is this LOL.

[(Anonymous)]

No offense, but fuck you a little bit?

The will to live is one of, if the strongest, human drives. In real life people have done worse than rape when a gun was put to their head, and it doesn't make them evil or immoral. But it does make the people who held the gun evil and immoral, though.

I hope you never, ever are in a position to council the victims of ANYTHING, as lacking as you are in empathy, and basic understanding of humanity.

Not OP

[(Anonymous)]

I'm curious what the reason was for the curse in the version you read?

Re: Not OP

[(Anonymous)]

I’d forgotten that. I was thinking it was about the daughters left with him since that’s problematic and I assumed OP was stretching calling it rape. I’m anon so can’t delete or edit but yeah, I forgot that entirely.

[(Anonymous)]

This kind of thing really irritated me in some of my fandoms, not familiar with this canon though. Not the fact that people liked fictional rapists as characters, I have plenty of favorite characters who have done absolutely awful things in the worlds of their canons, but the woobification that some fans get really into. Or just refusal to ever acknowledge that part of the story. I feel it does the character writing a disservice too, in situations where a well-written character has both sympathetic and revolting qualities I find that very interesting and don't want to pretend they never did that fucked up stuff! It sounds like in this case you weren't happy with how the canon handled the subject matter either, which I can't comment on, though I'll say I think it's totally reasonable to ditch a series if you personally have a problem with the way it handles sexual violence.

[(Anonymous)]

I noticed this a lot in Yami no Matsuei fandom. Some people were really, really into Muraki.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Ha. I never watched Yami no Matsuei but I still have warm feelings for Muraki thanks to the magnificent bastard fandom wrote and RP-ed him as. I would backbutton out so fast from any story that didn't make the most of how fucked up and predatory he is.

[(Anonymous)]

Well in this case the show definitely wanted the viewers to feel bad for the guy, so if anyone's to blame it should be the writers or maybe the original author (but I haven't read the books and don't know how sympathetically he was shown in those). The fandom is having the intended response to the narrative.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Interesting, I truly have no familiarity with the canon so I can't judge for myself, but I can see why that would be an uncomfortable storyline and certainly why someone might feel it was handled poorly, depending on the details of how it was written.

[(Anonymous)]

I avoid show fans, all the ones I've seen have been...weird. I'm sure there are decent ones out there, but I haven't met any.

With the book fandom, never had this particular problem with Nivellan. There's not truly good person in the Witcher series (Essi, I guess?), everyone is a shade of gray to black. I guess that is to say, if you could not stomach that story, you definitely would not like everything after it. Which is totally fine, different strokes and all.