[ SECRET POST #6036 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6036 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Whether or not you, personally, want to be involved in a specific sex act is not what makes it het, gay, or lesbian. That's not the boundary line here. If PIV sex is taking place between two men, or between two women, it is not het sex. By definition.

That's true because trans men are men and trans women are women. But there's really just no real argument for your position that isn't absurd. Because het people have PIV sex, that means that any PIV sex is het? Well, het people like oral sex, too - does that mean that any oral sex is also het? You don't personally want to partake in any PIV sex and that means it isn't lesbian sex - well, does that hold for other kinds of sex that you personally aren't interested in, are those het sex as well?

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't say anything about its being of interest to me. And considering everyone has mouths, the equivalence you're drawing seems rather questionable.

If there is a way to tell that PiV trans sex is its own thing from the sex act, as opposed to from how the people involved self-define, and writers are writing it incorrectly out of ignorance about what to do differently, I would be interested in knowing that. Which is why I asked.

It might also matter to the various people in this thread that avoid reading het sex scenes.

[(Anonymous)]

And considering everyone has mouths, the equivalence you're drawing seems rather questionable.

I think the framework that you're using is far more deeply flawed, because it would imply that the basis for everything we're talking about is determined based on biological physical characteristics, and that's what I disagree with. The reason that it's gay sex when two gay men have oral sex is because they're gay men having sex with each other. Not for any other reason, not because all people have mouths, or anything of the kind. By the same token, what makes a sexual encounter het is not that one person involved has a penis and the other person does not.

If there is a way to tell that PiV trans sex is its own thing from the sex act, as opposed to from how the people involved self-define, and writers are writing it incorrectly out of ignorance about what to do differently,

I think there's an interesting conversation to be had about how people write trans smut in fic. But that's not really what I'm saying or what I'm talking about here. I don't think there necessarily has to be or should be any way to tell that "PiV trans sex is its own thing from the sex act opposed to from how the people involved self-define". I don't think that's the criterion; there does not have to be any specific way to tell that PiV trans sex is its own thing from the sex act itself. I just totally disagree with that whole point of view. If two gay men are having sex, they are not having het sex. That's bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, given the thread topic, I'm more interested in a conversation about what makes for good trans smut in fic than one about where precisely we disagree about politics.

[(Anonymous)]

If that's the conversation you wanted to have, then you picked a hell of a way to start it