[ SECRET POST #6049 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6049 ⌋

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Comments

[queenslayerbee]

People are harping on the gnc comment, and yeah, idk that I'd call her that, but. TBF to op, people on twitter were freaking out over Peach wearing hot pink pants in that Mario film and saying it's a sign women "can't be feminine" anymore or some other tradcath bullshit. Those kinds of people 300% would consider no-makeup, unkempt-hair, dark-non-form-fitting clothes Jyn gnc as hell, let's be honest here.

But I'm getting the impression op's complaining about how much flack she got in fandom supposedly for not being an ~ideologue/all in for The Cause like Cassian... all to make Cassian exactly like that in Andor while most people ate it up, from what I've heard about the show. IF that's what op meant, I agree that said side of the fandom was irksome. And tbh Andor's writing choice itself annoys me, because I personally think each character in the pair and where they fell on the spectrum of rebels against the empire was what made the film.

[(Anonymous)]

Are those people in part 1 stuck in the 1950's or something? Where have they been for the last 60+ years, women have been wearing pants for a long-ass time. Hell women have been wearing pants for longer than a lot of people think, it just wasn't for fashion further back. But yeesh I always wonder if those types are just a very loud minority online because I never encounter that shit irl, no one cares if women aren't 'feminine' or whatever.

But yeah the second part could be what OP means. I only poked around on the fringes of R1 fandom and the sheer amount of hate she got was insane. Like she was selfish and only looked out for herself, the film did not gloss over this or consider it anything other than a mindset she needed to see past, but because it made her 'unlikeable'(a death sentence to female characters in fandom) she was The Devil. I don't care if people think she's boring or whatever, YMMV, it's the very specific flack she got for being a flawed character in a movie about flawed characters that was especially irritating. (I can't speak for the show as I haven't seen it).

[(Anonymous)]

Those people are fringe of fringe and fucked up beyond all help, though? I mean, that's like claiming all fictional women in pants are "gender non-conforming" just because the twitchiest of christians don't let their daughters wear anything but dresses.

Compared to an inch-worm a butterfly is massive, but if anyone says to a human "what a GIANT butterfly," we're going to be expecting something at least dinner plate sized. And unimpressed if the justification is like "well, I say that because the inch-worms think so!"

[queenslayerbee]

People policing women's behaviour and dress and thinking they should only conform to the most extreme form of femininity are fringe. Sure.

This Peach thing wasn't two loud people. It was hundreds upon hundreds. And the thread I saw was started by a GAY MAN (they will throw us gnc women under the bus every time lol). And these last few years it's just gotten worse, with women straight up stating their goal to become trophy wives and "bimbos" on social media, insisting women shouldn't work, complaining because fucking Barbie wears a pansuit or raising hell every time a female character doesn't end her story in a marriage with 2.5 children... and that's without getting into more serious shit like the public's attitude towards DV and the like.

These are not obscure things, they're everywhere, plain to see for anyone who doesn't shut themselves from the world and thinks misogyny is worth the concern.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I am an adult woman, and haven't felt like strangers were "policing" my anything since grade school. I don't smile. I've never dressed cute. I'm married to another woman and we've got problems but those problems aren't "the world is out to kill us because we didn't procreate with men." Dykes twice my age tell me how much harder everything was for them, back when most people thought if you were same-sex attracted that probably meant you were also an axe-murderer.

Can it be that you're giving the ranting of angry people online more weight than it ought to have? And maybe putting together things that actually aren't the same? I've watched the anti-work movement come into its own, with millenials. In parallel, I've watched (some) women decide the version of feminism that directed their aspirations towards becoming employees, and that denigrated unpaid homemaking and childcare as a waste of time for anyone who could have a job, was not the liberation they were looking for. And wage decline has been such that two adults raising kids don't necessarily manage to make ends meet. Whereas, a lot of these people remember their mothers being pressured to go back to work, at a time when financial need was not outright forcing them to earn a wage after they married.

[queenslayerbee]

Fellow adult (late twenties, personally) gnc dyke here. Our experiences are very different in this respect so I'll just say I'm sincerely glad you haven't experienced that kind of policing attitude IRL yourself, but no, this is not just online. These last few years I haven't had it directed towards myself as often but I'm very aware it's solely because of the people with whom I choose (and I'm able) to surround myself. Now, if I had to see my catholic relatives or my very conservative hometown as often as I used to, things would be very different. And unlike me, many women can't avoid such environments.

I personally think it's very telling that this so-called anti-capitalist, "anti-work" movement isn't calling for men to become trophy husbands and SAHF and and and. Also, "when financial need was not outright forcing them to earn a wage after they married"... straight-up financial need within a family unit is hardly the main reason women fought to be in the work force. They should always have independent income from their husband because economic dependence is dangerous and used against them in abusive situations, which are hardly diminishing. Besides that, in the current economy these young women CERTAINLY need to have disposable income, AND they sound woefully naive about the dangers of depending on the whims of their romantic partners. At the very least you get to put some distance between yourself and a traditional employer.

Also generally speaking I don't think putting these kinds of things together is a reach. There is a reactionary misogynist wave hitting worldwide at the moment (on top of the misogyny that never left), and these don't happen in a vacuum, IMO.