[ SECRET POST #6068 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6068 ⌋

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[Pâquerette Down the Bunburrows]



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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who doesn't have a credit card (not in the US, I don't NEED one here), it's a blessing cause now I can buy stuff from Etsy (well, I used to buy more back when there wasn't a ton of drop shipping going on) or other sites where ppl sell their arts & crafts (fandom and non-fandom).

[(Anonymous)]

Well see now that is my point. Without PayPal all that hustle culture over fan act goes away entirely. Before it if people wanted to make fan gear, they did it for free. Hardly anyone even took a check for it. Imagine a community of people doing stuff only for the joy of it. At worst maybe a few people had a stall at a convention, but it was still not a business venture. PayPal changed all that and cracked the door for gandom being profit led.

[(Anonymous)]

You are the kind of person who gets upset when your shiny virtual hat that you worked "super" hard for is released to new players years later.

[meadowphoenix]

It's seems like the opposite actually. OP seems upset the hat they got for free is now behind a paywall.

[(Anonymous)]

The stuff they're talking about has always been behind a paywall. Fanart and fanfic has always been free yes, and it still is. But zines, badges, specific prints or commissions have always needed money in order to obtain. It's not any different now other than the fact that there are more people selling this stuff because it's easier to do so with the internet and social media.

If OP thinks that more people being able to sell fanmerch is bad, well we'll agree to disagree, but fanmerch was never done 'for free' and never has been.

[meadowphoenix]

hmm i agree about fanmerch and I disagree about attitude for fanfic or fanart. i don't think it's bad, and I'm glad people aren't as scared of lawsuits as they were (or rather creators suddenly realized they could use artistic fan passion for free promo), but there was far fewer people advertising commissions and prompting tips or even chapters for paypals. many youtubers stream more than they do longform OR shortform now and it's mostly so people will give them tips. i also think something like the taylor swift fans selling bracelets? at least some of that would have been handed out instead of sold as part of simple fan fervor.

i think it's fine, but i think the attitude was different.

eta: as someone who rarely if ever buys merch fan or otherwise, almost all of the fan-made stuff I have I got when I was much younger and I didn't pay for it, so that's exactly one data point.

[(Anonymous)]

Anon who has been in fandom since the 90s and agreed. I have tons of random fan-made stuff that people just gave out for free at cons at the time.

[(Anonymous)]

> many youtubers stream more than they do longform OR shortform now and it's mostly so people will give them tips.

Pretty sure it's because YouTube has a major habit of demonetizing anything and everything at the drop of a hat for the user, so they can't even get ad revenue on those essays you so love... While YT still rakes in the cash on it. :|

[meadowphoenix]

the people streaming aren't the people in danger of demonetization.

but yes youtube does suck, idk try nebula?

[(Anonymous)]

That was... Entirely my point???? People moved to streaming because normal video essays were getting slammed.

[meadowphoenix]

no it wasn't. the streamers I'm talking about weren't getting demonetized to begin with. they weren't using stuff from aggressive IP companies. hope that helps.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Fanmerch was never the staggering zombie that I see these days, running around to every part of unmonetized fandom baying "why is this something I can't make money doing??" like that anon a few days ago arguing that because some people are breaking the law making copyrighted art (at their own risk) and soliciting customers for it, they should be allowed to advertise on the AO3 that they charge for fanfic.

A lot of what you seem to be considering "fanmerch" was free, in the sense that it was small batch, made by hobbyists, and circulated among their friends. "I had yarn left over, so I made this little Spock doll my friend" was something people would mention they were doing on their journal, take pictures of, and often as not provide instructions for how to do. "I'm a crafter, I have this shop, and practically everything in it is blatantly pretending IP law was never invented ..." pretty sure the OP is right to consider that something that really took root after Paypal. Not least because I am the sort of fan that does not buy tie-in anything, not from the companies and not from anywhere else, and it used to be so much easier to interact with fandom without people badgering you about their commercial aspirations and product lines.

So I really have to agree with Meadowphoenix and the anon who replied to her about this.

[(Anonymous)]

Ayrt didn't reply to OP though. They replied to a comment saying "see paypal is to blame for hustle culture in fandom" because someone said "I actually like paypal because I have access to things that only people with credit cards had access to before".

[meadowphoenix]

pretty sure that's OP when they say stuff like "see this is what I mean" regarding a comment on the secret. but it's irrelevant anyway, because that the first anon also seems to mean the opposite of anon i replied to.

[(Anonymous)]

Is this satire?

[(Anonymous)]

So wait, only official merch or shit you print yourself is allowed?

[(Anonymous)]

Bullshit. The hustle culture would be just the same in the US where everyone and their dog has a credit card. It's just that people from countries without omnipresent credit cards can get a piece of the pie easier as well, which isn't the big bad bogeyman you pretend it is. This just sounds like you're mad that people without access now have access as well.