[ SECRET POST #6068 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6068 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Pâquerette Down the Bunburrows]



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Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

The easy monetization of fan activities started here.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah.

[(Anonymous)]

Found the guy who wants to monetize fanfic, I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

You guess wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

+10 lol

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who doesn't have a credit card (not in the US, I don't NEED one here), it's a blessing cause now I can buy stuff from Etsy (well, I used to buy more back when there wasn't a ton of drop shipping going on) or other sites where ppl sell their arts & crafts (fandom and non-fandom).

[(Anonymous)]

Well see now that is my point. Without PayPal all that hustle culture over fan act goes away entirely. Before it if people wanted to make fan gear, they did it for free. Hardly anyone even took a check for it. Imagine a community of people doing stuff only for the joy of it. At worst maybe a few people had a stall at a convention, but it was still not a business venture. PayPal changed all that and cracked the door for gandom being profit led.

[(Anonymous)]

That, or Ko-Fi.

[(Anonymous)]

Hustle culture is the worst.

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone needs to get paid a living wage so that there is no need for hustle culture.

[(Anonymous)]

Not everything that involves money is hustle culture

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

[(Anonymous)]

It's not even that there's anything bad about hustle culture. Trying to monetize fandom is the problem here.

I know lots of people who do side things like selling the stuff they crochet, running a recipe blog, having a YouTube channel for cosplay makeup tips, etc. All of those things are fine and there's nothing wrong with asking for contributions for something you put time and effort into! The problem comes when you're trying to make money off of someone ELSE'S work, which is what making money off fandom stuff is.

[(Anonymous)]

If your subculture's commitment to amateurism can't survive the creation of easy means of payment, it can't have been that strong a commitment in the first place.

Frankly the cult of amateurism has always been overstated in fandom - see for instance the whole concept of "semi-pro" and related arguments in SF fandom. Amateurism is a good ideal for some people but it isn't a way of life. FIJAGDH.

[(Anonymous)]

You're confusing "doesn't take money for their fanwork" with "amateur." I know plenty of actual professional artists who draw fanart, they just don't sell any of the fan stuff they do.

[(Anonymous)]

I think people don't realize, for most people there is no commitment or idea as fandom as a "must be purely non-commercial". Fandom is just enjoying a work, and whether or not they make money off of it is a completely separate and unrelated factor.
There is no commitment to be broken.

[(Anonymous)]

Is monetization a real problem? Seems like a lot of people are still contributing free fanworks for others to enjoy.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like its more of a problem in bigger fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like fandomsecrets anons get a bit way too annoyed over the 10 out 100+ people who happen to place their fanworks behind paywalls. There is still way more free stuff, someone decided to make a PayPal? Don't pay it, I don't and I'm not even against it, and I still look at fandom stuff daily.

[(Anonymous)]

I remember when paywalls didn't exist on the internet. IMO, you don't get to tell people their annoyance is invalid.

[(Anonymous)]

TBH I generally agree.

It's just like the internet in itself. Hobbyists finding new spaces to connect and discuss similar interests morphs into a grifty hellscape where you spend too much time scoping out others to see if their time is worth your attention.
Are they a hard working hobbyist/gifted talent or are they just another grifter finding a new area to try out their get-rich-schemes?

But because this is the reality of how fandom culture is now, that doesn't mean I whole heartedly turn my back to online fandom culture or am going to judge actual creators with a passion for their hobby that they may have been able to turn into a career for monetizing their creations.

But I am highly aware how capitalism is continuing to fuck up the world and communities.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

*and I don't endorse grifters who do fandom shit to get attention and money, think they can paste together a Watch Mojo list and coin it a "video essay". <_< cunt u rly trying to sell ur 2 cent garment as a hand crafted gown?

[(Anonymous)]

I can't disagree that Paypal made the internet and fandom worse.

But my impression is that the internet was built with taxpayer money and what used to be public infrastructure, and the government then sold it off to companies that are trying to extract a profit from every angle. Back in the day, overwhelmingly everything online was free. Hosting. Email. Chat. IRC. And overwhelmingly most of the backend programs that made stuff possible were, also. Even the flashy stuff from later on, in defiance of clumsy attempts to monetize - the best DVD decrypters and rippers and burners were just available to everyone.

Fandom has survived the buying-out and mass destruction of so many things we used to rely on. The people who stopped maintaining great free tools because they were threatened with jail, the constant threats of fines and prison for those brave souls running torrent trackers and shadow libraries, the corporate takeovers and mass-deletions of sites that caused migration after migration. They threw everything they could reach in the garbage, erased our accounts, and still people went elsewhere and found each other and rebuilt. Not once but so many times.

But every time something that people used to be able to put up online for free is blocked into "now that's a paid service, no upload without our paid plan," some of the people who were here, before, can't afford to share with the world. I share your loathing for online payment processors, but I think the gradual extinction of places where you're not being outright forced to pay rent for creating and contributing is worse.