[ SECRET POST #6093 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6093 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

(I am so sorry secret maker but this is fucking unreadable)

As I said in an original thread subcultures do mostly appear around music scene. But it doesn't mean you should confine yourself. You don't vibe with music? That's OK, you still can be goth, don't listen to the haters
(I still find it extremely interesting how goth as a word had a transformation through the time thanks to architecture)

[(Anonymous)]

You really can't. Goth is a music-based subculture. If you're not into the music, then you're not goth. Which is just fine.

That's like saying you can be a metalhead that doesn't like metal.

Gothic and goth aren't the same thing. That subculture has nothing to do with literature or architecture, inherently, though lots of goths do like those, too.

[(Anonymous)]

I half agree half not. I think OP confuses gothic and goth. But I think you can be goth without being big fan of music. Movement is old enough and a bit larger than that. Clothes and macabre outlook and preferring dark literature can be perfect subculture behavior. And you can find your niche and crowd

[(Anonymous)]

If that's how it works, then anyone who dresses in black is goth.

Goth is the music-based subculture. It hasn't "evolved beyond it" or whatever. Those are just things that are associated with it, not things that define it.

It's like how gamers are associated with liking anime and RGB lights on shit, and then saying people who like anime and RGB lights must be a gamer.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean. There is also whole outlook though? And a lot of media that is part of subculture.
I am saying this all as a (ex)goth who was strongly into music scene. Nowadays it's more nostalgia factor for me, but still.
So when I was young and goth it was a bad look to gatekeep people from being part of a crowd if they are only there for clubbing. I don't see why we feel a need to gatekeep someone for being there for literature and arts.

[(Anonymous)]

Again. If it were just an outlook, anyone would be goth.

If you're going to a goth club, at least you're listening to goth music and being in the subculture. Just being in a mood doesn't make you goth.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a mood though. It's morbid fucking outlook to life and interest in macabre. Like girls from Ginger Snaps were absolutely more goth than a lot of people from club scene, but only gatekeepers and purists are against club scene.
But we are probably not going to resolve discourse because we have fundamentally different view of what subculture is. I think that goth can be an umbrella meaning, you don't

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe OP would be more interested in a purely aesthetics-based online subculture like dark academia or something?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
you know what, this is fair and probably for the best.

But they also can go all pretentious and say that they only listen to the original goth himself - Johann Sebastian Bach. Factually not true, but funny af (okay okay funny as fuck to me)

Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

"I don't understand why fans of goth music think they should have a monopoly on "goth" as an identity label. People have been describing things as gothic long before like, Bauhaus was a thing. I have tried goth music and it's fine. I like it about as much as any music genre, but I"m not much for getting super into any kin dof music. I've never been to a concert and I can count on one hand the artists I'd considerchanging that for, none of which do goth music.

OTOH I have dressed like a stereotypical goth for most of my adult life. I love gothic literature, visual art, basically any media that gets labeled as goth except for the music. Even like the architecture. So it would be really convenient if I could describe my whole deal succinctly without fans of the music genre getting pissy about it."


Please try and be more polite to the secret maker, though.

Re: Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

I remember the secret, so I could comment anyway. But thank you for the transcript.
But no, I don't want to be polite to secret maker, I am not OP and I have no need frankly. This was unreadable shit. Secret maker makes a lot of secrets and still somehow some of them are barely legible. I am not going after not the best choices of pictures, they are understandable and of course not all secrets made by one person can be perfect designer design.

Now I am going on the small rant but this going to be REALLY critical. Sorry in advance. Also disclaimer it's only my thoughts and not an attack.
I actually don't appreciate their work, becase I miss old days of secret!communities there people tried to make their own secrets. They could be really bad looking but they were looking different and individual. Now we have the same style for most of the secrets. I don't like it.
And I don't appreciate no-censorship politic frankly. Because some of them secrets are absolute troll shit. And at least this trolls could move their butt and do their vitriol in ms paint or something themselves.

Re: Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

It's fine if you don't care for the comment secret threads, but you are coming across as quite harsh here... are you trolling?? This comm doesn't always get a lot of activity, I'm glad there's people making an effort to keep engagement up, even if some of the engagement is annoying. We've always had trollish secrets now and again, I've been coming here for many years now... trolls come and go, some more obnoxious than others, it's part of the comm. Several people use the same image editor for secrets, not just for the comment secret threads, they look similar as a result, I know because when I tried an image editor linked here— surprise!— my secret looked just like a bunch of other secrets I had seen recently. More people use mobile-friendly editors these days. Anyway, I don't care about the appearance as long as I can read the secret... so I do actually agree that this wasn't a great image choice for the text.